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Title: Vixen 3.0
Post by: drlucas on June 02, 2013,
I see there is a newer version of Vixen out, but I don't see any relating EntecPro module for the Lynx kicking around. Has anyone with a USB dongle got Vixen 3 working as of yet? If so, can you share a quick tutorial on how to set it up. I'm at a cross roads now of figuring out what software to use...LSP, xLights or Vixen. I saw that development of xLights is on a bit of hold, but Sean seems to really be putting a ton of effort into keeping it going. Vixen seems to be progressing on the development side too and looks promising. LSP costs money and I want to invest my $ into lights and decorations, not software....so any thoughts on first plugins for Vixen 3 and then secondly where should I invest my time in sequencing?

Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: jnealand on June 03, 2013,
I would consider Vixen 3 a beta product although a few people (on DIYC) have been working with using it.  There is lots of promise, but a long ways to go.  LSP may cost money, but in the overall sense of the total show cost, it is a very small percentage.  That being said, I do own LSP, but have not yet used it for a show.  I finally got past the initial learning curve, but I lots of trouble converting my existing sequences so I still used Vixen 2.14 last year.  With Nutcracker and some other tools, it worked just fine with my RGB lights.
Title: Vixen 3.0
Post by: drlucas on June 03, 2013,
Well I don't mind bleeding edge but I also don't want the family to be ticked if the show goes down. I'll play it safe. I'll download the LSP demo and try it. I'll also get v2 of vixen and compare the two for my needs. Thanks for the input.
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: mms on July 16, 2013,
I just saw this video.  It looks VERY promising...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVgH6VnY31Y
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: smeighan on July 16, 2013,
vien 3 has the full list of effects from Nutcracker 3 included. This means you would not Nutcracker at all.

I am on the development group and have watched the last few months. great progress. It is ready to sequence some peoples shows. My concern is if it will scale to 20K channels. Last year I had 12K channels.
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: barbotte on July 17, 2013,
and you still have the option of using HLS witch is free and has lots of effect ..cheer
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: ghethco on July 26, 2013,
Noone answered the original question, and I have the same question, what about controller configuration for Lynx, both Express and Smart Strings?  I've been looking at quite a bit of Vixen3 info, haven't seen anything yet.  If and when I find it, I will repost here.

Gary
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: meman on July 26, 2013,
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Noone answered the original question, and I have the same question, what about controller configuration for Lynx, both Express and Smart Strings?  I've been looking at quite a bit of Vixen3 info, haven't seen anything yet.  If and when I find it, I will repost here.

The answer is no. The reason is that RJ has not published an output plugin for 3.0 yet. This is the current lineup on the Wiki:
USB Lynx Dongle
    Vixen ver 2.1 Pixelnet output plugin Put this file in the /plugin/output folder - Updated 7-10-2011
    Vixen ver 2.5 Pixelnet output plugin Put this file in the /plugin/output folder

EtherDongle
    Vixen ver 2.1 EtherDongle output plugin - ver 2 Pixelnet Put this file in the /plugin/output folder
    Vixen ver 2.1 EtherDongle output plugin - ver 1 DMX Put this file in the /plugin/output folder

I have used Vixen 2.5 to run my show for the past 3 years, but as I started to tinker with smart strings, etc last year, the only option available to me was the USB dongle. I don't know how much they have changed the layout of the sequence files, but it might be possible to build your show in Vix 3.0, then import the sequences into another app like xLights to actually run it.

Mike E.
Title: Vixen 3.0
Post by: twooly on July 26, 2013,
If you have an etherdongle you just set using e131 in 3.0. Works great from my tests.
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: ghethco on July 28, 2013,
Could you find it in your heart to let us know (step by step) how you did the controller setup in Vixen3?  This part is a mystery.  It isn't really documented *anywhere* that I've been able to find.  Not for Vixen3 and e131 anyway.

Gary

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If you have an etherdongle you just set using e131 in 3.0. Works great from my tests.
Title: Vixen 3.0
Post by: drlucas on July 28, 2013,
I'll be working through it today. Will post some step by steps once I get it going.  Finally got xlights and my dsc to work last night so now i move to vixen testing.
Title: Vixen 3.0
Post by: drlucas on July 28, 2013,
OK - so I have blinky now going in Vixen 3 with the etherdongle, active hub, a dumb string and a third party 27 channel controller (I'd be 100% Lynx, but unfortunately I wasn't able to source 6 more DSCs so I had to go another path - sorry). Anyways, here is what I did to get basic blinky going. I'll maybe make a pdf file later on with screen shots.

1. Configure controllers
 - add new controller, e1.31 output controller
 - give it a 4096 channel count
 - configure the controller, give it 8 universes, all active, all starting at 1 and a size of 512, all multicast
2. configure elements
 - add two elements and set a color,location, position for them (not sure you need to add the properties yet, i'm still learning
3. Configure the Filters and Patching
 - select an element on the left and three dmx channels on the right
 - run the patching wizard
 - select your element as the source, add a color breakdown filter, apply template then you are done (kinda those steps, you'll see the wizard)
 4. setup the sequence
 - I dropped down two alternating sequences of different colors for the two elements I created
 - picked different colors for each
 - made the duration of each for 1minute
5. Click play and enjoy!!
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: ghethco on July 30, 2013,
Hi drlucas,

Thanks x 512! :-)  I'm really excited now since this is the first confirmation I've seen that what I want to do is possible.  I'm going to start with just a LE and regular strings.  I'll post back once I've had a chance to try it.

Gary
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: ghethco on August 04, 2013,
OK, had to spend some time programming the EtherDongle, finally got that done.

I have an old 10BaseT switch, so I'm trying to use that.  My laptop supports GB Ethernet, not sure if EtherDongle supports that or not.  So I'm connecting PC to switch, switch to ED (silver connector), ED to Pixelnet Input on 16-port Active Hub, DMX Output on AH to DMX Input on LE.  Power everthing up.  Disable wireless (laptop) networking (this may not be necessary, but just to be sure)

First attachment shows the Network and Sharing center as the ED network is powered up. (Identifying...)

Second attachment shows the same thing after it finishes (calls it "Unidentified Network") it is also called "Local Area Connection".

Fire up Vixen3.  Third attachment is the controller setup.  Fourth attachment is the "Output Filters & Patching" setup.  Fifth attachment is the sequence.

I hit 'play' on the sequence.  Nothing happens on the network.  I have WireShark installed.  I can see traffic during the network identification phase, but after that finishes and I play the sequence, nothing.  Any ideas?  This part seems pretty basic, Vixen3 should be sending multicast packets and I should be able to see them in Wireshark.

Gary
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: drlucas on August 04, 2013,
Check the Act box in the third picture and try again....
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: keitha43 on August 04, 2013,
I think there was a pixelnet plugin in the wiki that vixen needs in a certain folder. I think there were 2 versions of it and some had success with one and some the other. I am going off my old memory as I don't have vixen.
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: ghethco on August 04, 2013,
DOH!  :-)  I guess that should have been obvious (maybe) but I'm working without a net here :-)

OK, now I'm definitely seeing traffic.  However, if multicast is supposed to end in .4, it looks like only 1/8 of the packets are multicast.  The yellow LED on the EtherDongle network interface is pretty much solid once Vixen3 is fired up.  I don't see anything happening on the Active Hub or the LE however.  But, not sure I'm supposed to see anything on the AH.  Not sure what else to look for.  Does the network traffic look reasonable?

This run was direct connection to the ED, but I've also tried it through my 10BaseT switch with the same result.  With the switch in place, I'm not seeing anything on the yellow LED on the ED.

Gary
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: ghethco on August 04, 2013,
Isn't that plugin for Vixen 2.x?  You're talking about the EtherDongle section of the wiki (attached), right?

Gary

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I think there was a pixelnet plugin in the wiki that vixen needs in a certain folder. I think there were 2 versions of it and some had success with one and some the other. I am going off my old memory as I don't have vixen.
Title: Vixen 3.0
Post by: drlucas on August 04, 2013,
There is no plugin to be added for vixen 3 to work with the etherdongle. There was for v2, but not v3. You are good there out of the box.

The USB dongle though no clue if that works in vixen 3.

So your multicast issue. First if you aren't seeing the light flicker on the jack when the switch is connected then likely you aren't repeating the multicast traffic out. What type of hub/switch is it? Brand and model and then we can check to see. I'm fortunate to have a nice and new(ish) Cisco switch from a previous life so it works. Nicely.

As for the last octet in the address. My understanding is that the x in  239.255.0.x is the universe number. So looks like you are outputting to several universes. I'd stick to a simple 1 universe for now to get the configuration nailed and then get advanced. For example my basic setup has PC - switch - dongle - active hub - LE1 and le2. Is set my active hub for universe 1:1 on the jumpers as well as dmx universe 1. This way  just dealing with 1-512 channels in my testing.

You might want to take it to the same basics as I got to for the testing. When the ssc coop hardware arrives for me then I get to really play around with things. For now I just have 3 dsc and some les to play in vixen.

Baby steps.
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: jnealand on August 04, 2013,
xlights might be a simpler way to make sure your hardware is working, then start playing with Vixen 3.
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: keitha43 on August 04, 2013,
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Isn't that plugin for Vixen 2.x?  You're talking about the EtherDongle section of the wiki (attached), right
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Told you my memory is old. Sorry.
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: drlucas on August 04, 2013,
I agree 100% with Jim on this one....I always use xlights first....not 100% sure what I'll do when I get the SSC...I assume xlights will work with that given the nutcracker integration and all....guess I'll just have to wait and see....

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xlights might be a simpler way to make sure your hardware is working, then start playing with Vixen 3.
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: ghethco on August 04, 2013,
No prob Keith.  OK, using xlights I got basic blinky flashy!!!  Thanks jnealand for the suggestion.  This is encouraging.

http://youtu.be/FkWtzlrpudI (http://youtu.be/FkWtzlrpudI)

A few things I neglected to do before.  Of course, all three devices needed to have their PICs programmed (duh).   Also, I was not using all of the power connectors on the SS Active Hub.  They all have to be connected, even to program the PIC.

Now I just need to figure out why Vixen3 isn't cooperating.

Gary
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: tbone321 on August 04, 2013,
You actually don't need to connect all of the connections on the active hub.  All of the 4 pin connectors are connected in parallel to each other.  You shouldn't need any of them connected to program the pic as long as you set the programmer to supply voltage but as Steve suggested, nothing else should be plugged into the hub except for the Pickit when programmin the PIC.
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: drlucas on August 05, 2013,
Trying to pick this up from another thread....I've since botched my preview in Vixen 3 two times now..including the recent 3.0.7. I'm hoping since I've posted my data folder over at the Vixen support forum that someone can pick up the source of the problem and squash that bug. It's so frustrating to try to get the sequencing done when all of a sudden the preview goes poof!!

I'd go back to HLS but that software has about the worst flow that I've come across. The features within HLS are simply amazing and I think the software has some great potential but I guess I can't complain both HLS and Vixen are wonder gifts from the community.

I've been thinking about trying LightJams, but it's a bit intimidating (and doesn't look like many in this hobby use it) and LSP is $250 and I need to finish investing in HW before I can dig deep into the pockets for that.

I guess I'm just overall grumpy....as I also managed to bugger up a piece of PVC this morning when I was trying to make an arch and using some hot water try to take the tension out of the 3/4" pipe. ended up making a funny looking pear shaped arch. I'm still not even sure what I want to do with the arch is a good idea...i'm thinking of drilling 15/32 holes ever 3" apart and pushing in the 12mm smart nodes (about 40 will do nicely in the arch of  10' length) through and just having the node stick out. I'm thinking that will make for a neat looking arch. Anyways, $20 down the toilet on the PVC, i'll get some more pipe next weekend and try my luck again....hopefully by then the SSCs will arrive and I can get one arch fully built and film up the prototype for all to see here....and I'll see if Vixen3 problems are fixed by then.

Some days I just think I'm not cut out for this hobby. 




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Quote from: ghethco on August 04, 2013,

Hey Rick.  Very interesting rambles, thanks for sharing.  I'm still just trying to get something basic working.  I'll probably get into the details of the various software options later.  One of the things that looked appealing about Vixen3 is the built-in effects for RGB.  The preview seems much improved also.  Does Vixen2 with xLights/Nutcracker give you the same functionality?  If so maybe I should give it a whirl.

Gary
I agree with Jim, for hardware testing and or trying different effects. xLights is a great option that is well supported here along with the awesome videos that Sean has done and he weekly online classes for it (thursday nights).

That still allows you to try different software for sequencing. Please don't let a old timer (me) sway you not into trying Vixen 3.0, I am just set in my way with Vixen 2.1 I think Vixen 3.0 RGB effects are nutcracker effects.

Not to plug my own silly program but Colorfinder (in the wiki software page) is really easy to setup and just has sliders to play with. Not much of a learning curve there (setup : USB dongle(DMX or Pixelnet) or Etherdongle. How may total channels do you want to send out with the Etherdongle - colorfinder  does require .net ver 4.0 since it was written in visual basic 2010.

Rick R.
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: smeighan on August 05, 2013,
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Trying to pick this up from another thread....I've since botched my preview in Vixen 3 two times now..including the recent 3.0.7. I'm hoping since I've posted my data folder over at the Vixen support forum that someone can pick up the source of the problem and squash that bug. It's so frustrating to try to get the sequencing done when all of a sudden the preview goes poof!!

I'd go back to HLS but that software has about the worst flow that I've come across. The features within HLS are simply amazing and I think the software has some great potential but I guess I can't complain both HLS and Vixen are wonder gifts from the community.

I've been thinking about trying LightJams, but it's a bit intimidating (and doesn't look like many in this hobby use it) and LSP is $250 and I need to finish investing in HW before I can dig deep into the pockets for that.

I guess I'm just overall grumpy....as I also managed to bugger up a piece of PVC this morning when I was trying to make an arch and using some hot water try to take the tension out of the 3/4" pipe. ended up making a funny looking pear shaped arch. I'm still not even sure what I want to do with the arch is a good idea...i'm thinking of drilling 15/32 holes ever 3" apart and pushing in the 12mm smart nodes (about 40 will do nicely in the arch of  10' length) through and just having the node stick out. I'm thinking that will make for a neat looking arch. Anyways, $20 down the toilet on the PVC, i'll get some more pipe next weekend and try my luck again....hopefully by then the SSCs will arrive and I can get one arch fully built and film up the prototype for all to see here....and I'll see if Vixen3 problems are fixed by then.

Some days I just think I'm not cut out for this hobby. 




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Quote from: ghethco on August 04, 2013,

Hey Rick.  Very interesting rambles, thanks for sharing.  I'm still just trying to get something basic working.  I'll probably get into the details of the various software options later.  One of the things that looked appealing about Vixen3 is the built-in effects for RGB.  The preview seems much improved also.  Does Vixen2 with xLights/Nutcracker give you the same functionality?  If so maybe I should give it a whirl.

Gary
I agree with Jim, for hardware testing and or trying different effects. xLights is a great option that is well supported here along with the awesome videos that Sean has done and he weekly online classes for it (thursday nights).

That still allows you to try different software for sequencing. Please don't let a old timer (me) sway you not into trying Vixen 3.0, I am just set in my way with Vixen 2.1 I think Vixen 3.0 RGB effects are nutcracker effects.

Not to plug my own silly program but Colorfinder (in the wiki software page) is really easy to setup and just has sliders to play with. Not much of a learning curve there (setup : USB dongle(DMX or Pixelnet) or Etherdongle. How may total channels do you want to send out with the Etherdongle - colorfinder  does require .net ver 4.0 since it was written in visual basic 2010.

Rick R.


Drlucas; have you tried vixen+?
http://vixenplus.com/

I lied its interface. It also has nutcracker effects.

Vixen 2.1 => vixen 2.5
=> vixen+
=> vixen 3

Both are good
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: keitha43 on August 05, 2013,
You shouldn't lie about interfaces. It isn't polite. :P

Sent from my Thunderbolt using Tapatalk 2.

Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: drlucas on August 05, 2013,
Just downloaded vixen+ and will give it a whirl. Not sure what all this talk is about artisan and elf and such, but I'm hoping I can figure out how to get the preview going. I'm still abit confused about some of the basics of all this...

what I mean is 2.1 was last year's choice and was a popular choice, but didn't really incorporate RGB? Then 2.5, vixen+ and vixen3 are all spin offs of vixen 2.1 but are being led by different development teams? each with their own strength and weakness? from what I can see vixen3 has 4 people developing there. I am looking for something that I can use to sequence (with preview so I can visualize what I'm doing). Once I get the knack of that then I can get into testing to see how things look live in the basement with an eventual goal of starting my outside setup next month.it gets dang cold here in October and usually pretty rainy so I want to get most of the setup done in the fair weather. September temps are usually low 70s and then October quickly drops to 50s, by November we are in 40s, and December can get the freezing temps consistently....anyways....thanks for the into to vixen+ will see how that goes for me.

I love having the options available to me! and I'm generally OK with trying beta/test software, but soon I really need to get to task on this or i'll have 24 months of building my first xmas lighting display
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Drlucas; have you tried vixen+?
http://vixenplus.com/

I lied its interface. It also has nutcracker effects.

Vixen 2.1 => vixen 2.5
=> vixen+
=> vixen 3

Both are good
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: caretaker on August 05, 2013,
Somebody correct me if I am wrong but is not the set up for Vixen 3 supposed to look more like this:

Universe    Start    Channels
      1            1           512
      2           513        512
      3          1025       512
      4          1537       512
Etc...       
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: drlucas on August 05, 2013,
OK - so right off the bat i'm having problems...maybe this is the source of my problems with Vixen3

Start/Size Error - Row 1: Univ=1 Start=1 Size=512 Multicast TTL=1
Start/Size Error - Row 2: Univ=2 Start=1 Size=512 Multicast TTL=1

I have an active hub and etherdongle. The hub is set for dmx universe 1 and pixelnet universe 1. My understanding is that i'll be using my LE and SSRs on the first 512 channels...(probably only going to use less than 50 channels there)...then I have my DSC that I'm also going to use in the first 512 channels...I only have 3 DSCs and likely going to make a couple of mini trees with them. then I'll have the SSCs which I was going to start at channel 513. I'll have about 20 SSCs in total and 1500ish channels for the flex and smart strings i'm building up. that said, I've setup Vixen+ (and 3 for that matter) as 8 universes and therefor 8 different lines of 512 channels each. Is that the right thing to be doing? or am I misunderstanding that?
Title: Vixen 3.0
Post by: drlucas on August 06, 2013,
I'll try to configure like Caretaker has recommended. I assume I can test right now with the DSC I have.  I'll put that on channel 513/4/5 and see if I can get it to light up. 

I'll feel silly if this has been my problem all along. Oh and in vixen + when I click on the nutcracker nothing happens. When I double click on it it tells me something about patience. LOL. I need a week off of work to spend on the lights!
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: rrowan on August 06, 2013,
Just curious why you are modding the pvc pipe?

I just put two rebars in the ground (6 feet apart for a 10 foot length of pvc) and slide one end of the pvc over the first rebar. Bend the other end of the pvc on the second rebar and make a slight adjustment and walk away from the arch. What type of pvc are you using? I use the grey "electric" pvc.

Rick R.
Title: Vixen 3.0
Post by: drlucas on August 06, 2013,
I am using the schedule 40 PVC - 3/4". It is white and relatively flexible. I have done what you said about the rebar and that looks like it will work...here are my two concerns. 

1- when it gets really cold (never gets below 20 in December - but below freezing at least) and there is tension in the pipe - will it snap on me due to stress ?
2- if someone is walking their dog across the sidewalk and the arch is 2' in from the walk and the dog gets snagged in an arch and the arch comes out on one end will it cause and physical harm to the people within a 10' radius of the arch ??

When I drop some hot water in the arch then let it cool all the tension escapes and then it also generally easier to work with in workshop in the basement. I don't have any way to put rebar in the floor down in the basement to actually work on the arch standing up. I've put some t connectors and that is holding the arch in shape but it's popped out of the t a few times on me.

I'm starting to think I'm going about this design the wrong way. Maybe I just take a flex strip and tie wrap it to the PVC vs trying to take the time to drill out 40 different holes in the arch. I was thinking though that with the white PVC there would also be some nice light reflecting off it from the node and might look good.

I'm open to other ideas. The front of the house is about 21' of workable space as the driveway takes up the rest of the 45' lot. So I was thinking three arches in total.
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: drlucas on August 06, 2013,
Just set the DSC to 513(14, 15) and yeah, it works a lot better with the settings as Caretaker described. I did my testing first in xlights, then vixen+...now i'm going to go back and reinstall vixen 3 and set the channels up properly and see if life is better for me or if I still break it. Progress one baby step at a time...

cheers!
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Somebody correct me if I am wrong but is not the set up for Vixen 3 supposed to look more like this:

Universe    Start    Channels
      1            1           512
      2           513        512
      3          1025       512
      4          1537       512
Etc...       
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: jnealand on August 06, 2013,
If you want to talk about arches you should start another thread and not hijack this one.  I will also be playing with new arch construction starting soon, but I plan on putting 90 flexstrip pixels inside something and I would like to see a separate discussion started.
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: ghethco on August 07, 2013,
OK, after changing out my 10BaseT hub for a 10/100 and successfully testing the LE with xlights, I got Vixen3 working!  The neighborhood isn't safe anymore :-)

Many thanks to all of you guys who helped me.  I promise to pay it forward.

Gary
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: ghethco on August 14, 2013,
OK, I have one of my SSCs working with a 128 node string attached.  I have Vixen3 "talking" to it, but I'm not quite seeing the behavior I would expect.  This is probably because I'm expecting the wrong thing or my noobosity is otherwise getting in the way :-)

One of the Vixen3 videos (the one about the pixel firestick) says that you should enter RGB nodes as a single elements, not three (one each for red, green, blue).  When I do this, and do a simple chase, it starts at the first node and chases, each node glowing white.  But, it stops 1/3 of the way down the string.  OK, I thought, maybe the video is wrong, so I select "RGB items" in the "Add Multiple" dialog in "Configure Elements and Groups".  This produces more what I expected, 384 elements (3 x 128).  I map each of those 384 elements to one channel of the controller.  Now when I do a 'chase' it behaves like I expected, with each node flashing red, green, then blue and it continues to the end of the string.

So, was the video wrong?  Or is there some other way to skin the cat?  I tried some nutcracker effects with the string configured this way (384 elements, gathered into one "group", but didn't get anything reasonable.  The whole string just lit up white.  Do I need to create 128 "groups", each with the 3 RGB elements in them, then group those?

What it shows in the video works great in the preview, but I so far can't make it work with my "real, live" string.

Gary
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: rrowan on August 14, 2013,
As a basic rule. Different hardware will work differently and needs to be configured differently.

Also how you configure the SSC it will behave differently also. Like you can configure it for String, Pixel, Hybrid modes
String mode basically makes it a dumb 3 channel controller.
Pixel mode - each node requires 3 channels to function
Hybrid mode - combines the above two

Sounds like you are getting the general idea. Not a lot of work/testing has been done with Vixen 3 and RJ's Smart Strings so its a new ball game for everyone.

Rick R.

Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: gizmohd on August 14, 2013,
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OK, I have one of my SSCs working with a 128 node string attached.  I have Vixen3 "talking" to it, but I'm not quite seeing the behavior I would expect.  This is probably because I'm expecting the wrong thing or my noobosity is otherwise getting in the way :-)

One of the Vixen3 videos (the one about the pixel firestick) says that you should enter RGB nodes as a single elements, not three (one each for red, green, blue).  When I do this, and do a simple chase, it starts at the first node and chases, each node glowing white.  But, it stops 1/3 of the way down the string.  OK, I thought, maybe the video is wrong, so I select "RGB items" in the "Add Multiple" dialog in "Configure Elements and Groups".  This produces more what I expected, 384 elements (3 x 128).  I map each of those 384 elements to one channel of the controller.  Now when I do a 'chase' it behaves like I expected, with each node flashing red, green, then blue and it continues to the end of the string.

So, was the video wrong?  Or is there some other way to skin the cat?  I tried some nutcracker effects with the string configured this way (384 elements, gathered into one "group", but didn't get anything reasonable.  The whole string just lit up white.  Do I need to create 128 "groups", each with the 3 RGB elements in them, then group those?

What it shows in the video works great in the preview, but I so far can't make it work with my "real, live" string.

Gary

In vixen 3 RGB works a little differently than in V2x... Before you had to create an individual channel for each color.. Not anymore... With Vixen 3, create your elemens... (1 channel per pixel).   Then in the patching and filtering, you will need to add an RGB filter for each of your pixels... This RGB filter maps the individual pixel to the corresponding RGB(W) channels on your controller...  It basically turns one element (pixel) into 3+ channels that then link to your controller....

ONe of the strengths with Vixen 3 is that alone.  You no longer need to worry about individual RGB channels... Just create your element (pixel) and the software takes care of splitting the correct color mix out for you.  ALl you need to do is to map the filter in place... This interface is a little dodgy right now and a rewrite of it is in the works, but it does do the job (not as fast as some would like of course) but its there.   We have a great team that is continuously improving the interface and usability and welcome the feedback.    I havent been on here much, but will make an effort to monitor this site more in efforts to answer more of your questions as thhey come up.
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: smeighan on August 14, 2013,
For those who might not know, gizmo had is one of the primary developers of vixen 3.0

It is nice getting the answer directly from the developers!

Thanks gizmodh
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: drlucas on August 14, 2013,
I appreciate that explanation!! thank you!!

Looking forward to doing some serious testing over the next couple of weeks....and will provide some feedback of course  I have 3.08 build6 just blow up on me tonight, so i'm going to start my sequencing from the start again... I think for each new build I should uninstall old vixen, install new vixen, blow away data directory and then start it up. I'm hopeful that by late October I'll be good to go with vixen 3 for this season.
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: drlucas on August 14, 2013,
Sean - not sure if you are the one who might be able to add some thoughts on this...but if I use an alternating sequence of red/white with a single horiztonal string of pixels..the preview in vixen 3 shows up fine. If I then add a nutcracker sequence with a horizontal line type, effect bars, in the nutcracker edit effect screen I see the display preview fine, but if I then say OK to this and move over to the preview screen, the pixels don't dance at all. Thoughts on if this is a preview issue, or something overall with the way vixen 3 deals with the different display types (aka a bug)?
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: smeighan on August 14, 2013,
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Sean - not sure if you are the one who might be able to add some thoughts on this...but if I use an alternating sequence of red/white with a single horiztonal string of pixels..the preview in vixen 3 shows up fine. If I then add a nutcracker sequence with a horizontal line type, effect bars, in the nutcracker edit effect screen I see the display preview fine, but if I then say OK to this and move over to the preview screen, the pixels don't dance at all. Thoughts on if this is a preview issue, or something overall with the way vixen 3 deals with the different display types (aka a bug)?

i tahe it you are exporting your nutcracker sequence as vixen 2.1 *.vix? Vixen 3 does not have a file format where we can set each byte in the display.
HLS, LOR, LSP, VIXEN 2.1, 2.5 all have ability to read in a file where every byte of your show is set.

Vixen 3 keeps the sequence in high level form (The same as xlights *.xml files). So we have no output where you can pick Vixen 3.0, only Vixen 2.1

You might try your nutcracker sequence in vixxen 2.1 and then try the same thing imported into vixen 3

not sure why it doesnt match
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: loveroflife96 on September 23, 2013,
Let me just post a big thank you to Gary (Gizmohd), Sean (Smeighan), and the entire development team for Vixen 3.0.  Just finished sequencing a 4:30 minute show in under 3 hours.  14 arches, Windows, Garage, Bushes, Rooflines, all in RBG.  Amazing capabilities guys!  Just simply amazing!  So excited for Halloween this year.  Now to do the tedious job of sequencing my pumpkin to the voice of the song and this sequence is ready to go!!  Vixen 3.08.26 is just a HUGE win for me!

Duane
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: barbotte on September 24, 2013,
yep i like v3 too and the new version is out today ,, 3.08 ... its pretty good ..not as many effect as the real nutcraker but i can live with that ... thanks again
Title: Re: Vixen 3.0
Post by: kfxi on September 25, 2013,
Will the files I created with 2.1 work with 3.0?

Ken