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Hardware => Lynx Smart String => Topic started by: RJ on March 11, 2013,
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Ok just finished the new SSC v4 alpha testing. I need about 5 members with SS equipment that are willing to build one when the pcbs get here to test on your stuff.
Differences are as follows.
The new pcb is smaller. about 1" x 2.75" do to the pic being only 14 pins instead of 28.
The parts are cheaper and the pcb will also be since it is smaller. (at 100 qty the parts are under $5.) and gets even cheaper in high qty coops.
Even thought it will be cheaper I added a precise clock to insure steady performance over the full temp range.
I added a small mosfet to be the data line drive so the output section is like the chinese testers. I think this should help with anything but a totally dead node.
RJ
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I have more time now and would be glad to help test if needed.
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That sounds Sweet
I should be able to help
Rick R.
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I'd be glad to help also. Sounds like some cool changes.
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Willing to help if need be.
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I am also waiting on some WS2811 nodes to show up to get the firmware working on it.
I order pcbs so it is a couple of weeks out before we have them.
RJ
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I too would love to test and help out.
Kurt
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I can help also.
Rick
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I can help if needed.
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I can help too.
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I would love to help.
John
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I still have my window frames hanging on the windows in my sun / screen porch. I could build an SSC and test it easily.
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I'm building my new 40x24 SS matrix right now. I can easily test. (it will use 8 SSCs)
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If you need anymore beta testers, still working on building stuff for 2013, so could throw this in the mix.
Duane
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I added a small mosfet to be the data line drive so the output section is like the chinese testers. I think this should help with anything but a totally dead node.
??? What makes it like a Chinese tester?
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In Prior SSCs, the pic processor drives the data line to the pixels directly. The addition of a MOSFET (like a transistor) adds a buffer to the output. The test devices from china also have a MOSFET as an output buffer.
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I assume we are talking about the the TH2010x controller. http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/TH2010-series-LED-pixel-remote-controller-support-WS2811-LED-pixel-lights-Max-5A-output/701799_573403895.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/TH2010-series-LED-pixel-remote-controller-support-WS2811-LED-pixel-lights-Max-5A-output/701799_573403895.html)
The addition of the mosfet is exciting news to me since I've always felt the TH2010x was noticeably smoother than all iterations of the the SSC, particularly with long ramps or fades which I use often. Am I anxious to replace 22 SSC's with the new ones? Not unless a side by side test warrants it.
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Bummer I guess rm357 is correct.
I was hoping the "Chinese tester" would be a badly hand drawn sketch of the board with assembly steps without words >:D
Oh well (yeah having a bad day medically)
Rick R.
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LOL, I just finished my ssc v2 modded to 3's. <fp. Too much fun. Still don't have any SS's to test them though.
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Thanks RJ, this sounds great. The WS2811 support would be really nice also.
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RJ,
I have lots of V1s and V2s that are upgraded to V3. I would like to add a mosfet to the data line of my present SSCs. Could you please put a schematic in the Wiki that shows the mosfet PN and how to electrically insert the mosfet into the data drive line.
Thanks,
Rick S
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I would be really suprised if he does that.
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Agreed. I think v4 is a total redesign and not a mod to existing topology.
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Everyone that replied to this post wanting to test the V4 SSC and also lives in the USA.
Please paypal $4 to me at payment@diylightanimation.com to cover the pcb and postage. Put in the comment it is for a beta SSC v4 pcb.
One per member and you must have already posted in this post that you wanted to beta.
You must have your payment in by Monday 4/01/13 or I will not accept it.
You must be able to build test and post your experience with it in two weeks or less.
We have a coop holding waiting on this.
DO NOT DO THIS JUST TO HAVE ONE! THIS IS FOR PEOPLE SERIOUS ABOUT TESTING IT FOR THE GROUP!
I will get you a pcb out.
The BOM you need to order is here:
http://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/ProjectDetail.aspx?AccessID=88fcce70ee
The firmware for it is attached to this post.
it requires a pickit V3 as the new pics do not work with pickit2
RJ
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For those wonder what it looks like here is a picture next to a current SSC. It is smaller.
RJ
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Payment sent.
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Will this include a pigtail? I don't have any spares. Should I just add $2 for a pigtail?
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Will this include a pigtail? I don't have any spares. Should I just add $2 for a pigtail?
Just pcb. If you need a pigtail you will need to tell me and add extra to cover it.
RJ
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Payment sent.
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Almost done with the assembly, but not being an electronics guru I have one question.
Is there a direction to the xtal which I assume is thr 32mhz crystal?
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No but if it makes you feel better mine the text on the crystal is the same direction as the text on top of the pic chip when it is plugged in.
RJ
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Thanks RJ, all done except for the connectors and programming. That will be tomorrows project when I am wide awake.
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Hi All,
I got my SSC v4 built and running. I took pictures to put in the assembly manual.
Now to start testing it.
Rick R.
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Get job!! Glad it is working!
RJ
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Thanks RJ, all done except for the connectors and programming. That will be tomorrows project when I am wide awake.
I as well got to that point. Will put on connections tonight and start testing. Very easy build (maybe should wait to test before saying that!). <fp. Was straight forward though.
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Still waiting on mouser and the board :( Board should hopefully be here today.
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Can I assume that when using the WS2811 chip smart strings that the total node count will be 128 nodes?
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Not sure about the new controllers, the 128 node limit is based on how much power could be sent over the cat5 cable.
128 nodes at 60mA "all on full white" 7.68 amps.
The cat5 jacks are fused for 5 amps.
If you require more than 80 nodes, best to use another port and controller.
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128 is based on the orignal nodes all on. The 128 took just shy of 4 amps which 4 amps is the limit for SS. exceed this is not wise on the cat5.
RJ
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Finished the v4 last night. Ran through tests on 120 node flex strip. So far everything works great. I have done slow fades (on\off) with no flicker, Color chases (Rainbows), All on 4 colors, RGBW. Tested with Xlights and LSP. Videos will come, but ran out of time last night.
All tests on flex strips so far, but I do have regular nodes, square and rectangles still to test. I do not have any WS2811. I have had no issues at all.
Note: The legs on the mosfet and the 5v regulator legs need to be bent to fit through the holes in the PCB, but that was EXTREMELY easy to do. Just making the note. Also be careful with the 10pf and the .1uf capacitors they would be easy to mix up as the look very similar.
RJ is there anything specific that you would like us to run through?
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Just make sure it works for you well. You should find the distance to the first node that you can go has increase.
Sent from my Charge by Tapatalk
RJ
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You should find the distance to the first node that you can go has increase.
RJ
Great I will test that as well!
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Have the parts from Mouser, still waiting for the board. :( Glad there is still saturday mail delivery.
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Have the parts from Mouser, still waiting for the board. :( Glad there is still saturday mail delivery.
Are you a long way from Florida?
They all shipped on Monday.
RJ
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I got it, I'm in Iowa just waiting on mouser (Monday).
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Have the parts from Mouser, still waiting for the board. :( Glad there is still saturday mail delivery.
Are you a long way from Florida?
They all shipped on Monday.
RJ
Post Office tracking is terrible... never know when things are coming. But did get the notification it shipped, so ready to build when it arrives.
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Mail arrived today without the board. :( Is anyone else slow in getting theirs? USPS site and tracking number only says that it got the electronic information that it would be shipped. But nothing that says where it is or when it should arrive.
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Mine was a day later than what the tracking said but it did at least update
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I sent everyone that a label was printed for so if it says that it went in the same box that the others were at the Post Office.
Sorry you are having to wait.
RJ
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Mine came like the day after paypal (but I am real nice to our postal carrier and she likes my show ;D).
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My board came a few days ago but no sign of the parts from Mouser. Hoping for Monday.
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Anything to report so far? They working ok or are you having issues?
RJ
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I'm still waiting on parts from Mouser. They should arrive today, and I can finish building it.
Rick P
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Had to help move mother in-law and her husband closer to us this weekend so did not get to do some of the stuff that I had hoped. Also fighting a small network issue, but I have tested Flex Strips and Squares with no issues at all. I have a string of 124 nodes @ 8" spacing that I am planning on testing the next couple of days. So far so good for me.
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Had to help move mother in-law and her husband closer to us this weekend so did not get to do some of the stuff that I had hoped. Also fighting a small network issue, but I have tested Flex Strips and Squares with no issues at all. I have a string of 124 nodes @ 8" spacing that I am planning on testing the next couple of days. So far so good for me.
Have you tried changing direction or limiting the number of nodes (i.e.: less that 128, or less then 10, etc)
I have a problem but I don't know if its me or a bug.
Rick R.
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Have you tried changing direction or limiting the number of nodes (i.e.: less that 128, or less then 10, etc)
I have a problem but I don't know if its me or a bug.
Rick R.
Hey Rick, give me some more specifics. My tests so far has been my Spinner. It has 120 flex strip nodes, 10 Square nodes. and 30 regular nodes. I have not seen any issues with what I have tried. My sequences have Rainbow colors varying, Slow fades RGBW (15 sec ramp up\15 sec ramp down), chases and all on for a period of time (Full White). I have not tested my FE Coro canes that have 8 Rectangular nodes each.
If you let me know what you are seeing I will try and duplicate it.
Roger
Not sure what you mean about changing direction. I have in Xlights reversed the pattern for reverse chase direction. Is that what you are referring to?
Another note: I did just leave them run all day yesterday with a rainbow chase in Xlights while I was gone. Ran from about 9 am until 7pm.
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I was talking about making changes in the Smart String Utility to the SSC
Number of Nodes for the SSC (set it less then your full set of nodes)
Direction (which node is #1) the first from from the SSC or the last node in the set
Grouping and Null Nodes
I am just using smart strings but test every type of nodes you have
Thanks
Rick R.
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Will check as soon as I get home from work tonight.
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I believe that Rick has found a bug. Here are my findings so far. Any backwards programmed number only the last node will light. I have done 1 through 20 now and it is consistent with all.
Example of what I see. Flex strip programmed for 10 nodes backwards. All lights set to on only node 10 will light (Looks green to me, but I am color blind and no one home to help with that right now). Now to further diagnose. If I turn on channel 30 that should be Blue for node 10. However node 10 turns red. If I select channel 31 node 10 turns what I am calling green. 31 should start as red on node 11. Node 11 is not programmed.
Further testing to follow. Just wanted to give an update.
Wife just verified it is green.
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Thanks as soon as I get free from the work I am doing I will look at it. I am sure it is a firmware bug that is easy to resolve.
RJ
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Further testing from me. All other programs appear to work for the flex strips. 3 channel, Hybrid, and null nodes appear to work fine.
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Yes I know what the problem is. It will not be hard to fix. I wil have a new firmware this weekend that will fix this issue.
RJ
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Why does life seem to get in the way of fun (and testing)? Got flexstrips working just using xlights tester, but I do not get a flashing white light when I use the programming utility. I get a flashing green. When I reprogrammed for nodes I get a flashing red on the node string. However my nodes did not work and I now have to go onsite for a customer. Will dig out a different string of nodes this evening and try some more.
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Finally got the parts and its now built. Time to test. Just for idea on the size in the pipe bomb minus the end cap but you get the idea. Dinner and then testing.
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Ok I will admit this is a totally untested firmware as my bench is tied up but it shoudl fix the issue. It might not work at all for all I know but can one of you throw it on your V4 and see if it fixes the reported issue and post to let me know?
Thanks
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Well I don't think that firmware is good
I got no flashing of lights and then after a restart nothing work. I went back to the previous version and it working again
Rick R.
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Did you program a start channel. Sorry I forgot to say it is not setup on a start ect. So you need to run the utility on it.
I hope as the change I made should only apply when the string is in reverse mode.
RJ
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I get no output to lights with latest firmware. Steps as follows Download and install firmware, set start channel to channel 1 , Set backwards, 120 nodes, flex strip.(Do get verify flash)
Note Just reprogrammed to forward and lights work.
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Does it work in forward? This will help me work on it if it is working just not in reverse.
RJ
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Does it work in forward? This will help me work on it if it is working just not in reverse.
RJ
See above
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Ok I will work on it tommorrow and I will have to clear the current project off of the bench to work with it.
RJ
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Think I know what I did wrong but still could not check it.
someone please try this and let me know.
RJ
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Where is the new SS utility, I only have v1 and v2 (unmodded) SSC. After wondering why nothing I thought hmm I bet thats why :)
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Nevermind I got it and at first I'm seeing the same thing. Flashing green on a flex strip with setting the start channel. Off to test more.
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I cannot get the new firmware to do anything.
With original firmware, everything works fine except for when I program them in backwards mode. I programmed them as hybrid and backwards. The lights are all on with different colors when they should be off. If I select channel 1-3, the lights will all change to the appropriate color and go back to all on when I turn the channel off. If I select any other channel, nothing happens.
With the new firmware, I get nothing other than a quick flash when plugging them in. When running the smart string utility, I also get nothing not even a flash.
Rick P.
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Will try new firmware when I get home from work.
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Here are a few things I see, mostly with the backwards not working. Original firmware.
FlexStrip (120 node length)
- I put it in backwards all that works is the very first led (1 channel), 30 nodes, no null, grouping of 1
- Flashes Green with tool (just noting nothing bad)
Square Models (5 node string)
- I put it in backwards all that works is the very first led (1 channel), 5 nodes, no null, grouping of 1
- Flashes Green with tool (just noting nothing bad)
String Models (14 node string)
- I put it in backwards all that works is the very first led (1 channel), 14 nodes, no null, grouping of 1
- Flashes Red with tool (just noting nothing bad its not white an different)
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Here is a short video showing the green flashing. I have 3 SSCs connected, 2 V2 and 1 V4. guess which one is the V4. LOL
I also see red flashing when doing nodes. Different colors might be a good safety check that you selected the correct type of element you are programming for.
Jim
http://youtu.be/cSILDK_7i18 (http://youtu.be/cSILDK_7i18)
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Latest firmware appears to be working fine on short test. I will do some more in depth testing shortly, but backwards and forward 120 node flex strip is working on a rainbow chase.
Note to everyone: When programming with the SS Utility you MUST remove the blue jumper before removing power or the program will not take.
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I tested on the other end of the spectrum and backwards seems to be 1 channel off. I programmed 5 channels with a start channel of 4081 and 4082 is R. 4083 G, 4084 B. Programmed forward and all works as it should 4081 R, 4082 G, 4083 B.
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Ok I can fix this give me a few minutes and I will have new firmware posted.
RJ
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I believe this will fix the one channel off issue.
RJ
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I believe this will fix the one channel off issue.
RJ
Yep that did it. Have run through some basic slow fades, chases, and all ons. So far so good. I have to do some PR with the wife tonight, I will just let them run on a cycle. Sorry I can't do more tonight.
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Anyone else having any luck?
RJ
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My apologies RJ. I have not had time the last couple of nights. I may have some time tomorrow night. I still want to check first node length and square and rectangular nodes. Dang work and taxes are killing me.! >:(
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My apologies RJ. I have not had time the last couple of nights. I may have some time tomorrow night. I still want to check first node length and square and rectangular nodes. Dang work and taxes are killing me.! >:(
thats fine you have given feedback I was wondering what others were seeing. Rick is having some issue, you seem to be ok, others sy it just flashes. I am not sure what to do. If it is working on one I would expect to work on all.
Make sure after you flash the pic with the newest firmware you then use the SS utility to set the channel,direction ect. it is not setup to work until you do this.
RJ
RJ
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I was waiting to see if anyone else posted, but I have not been able to get the new firmware to do anything.
If I use the original version 4 firmware, everything works fine. If I use the test, test2 or test3 version, I do not get anything from the SSC. When I run the Smart String Utility, I do not get anything flashing or anything.
I was curious how the ones who have gotten it to work are programming the PIC and what version of the Microchip software they are using. Also, are they running the smart string utility with a USB dongle or Etherdongle?
I have tried both version 1 and version 3 of the standalone pickit3 programming utility with the same results. I am using an Etherdongle to program start channel and test. I have not tried with a USB dongle yet.
Rick P.
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I have only been using my usb dongle since the etherdongle is being tested with the conductor beta stuff.
A couple of times I had to start and stop and then start again the SSU transmit before the lights would flash
Rick R.
I was waiting to see if anyone else posted, but I have not been able to get the new firmware to do anything.
If I use the original version 4 firmware, everything works fine. If I use the test, test2 or test3 version, I do not get anything from the SSC. When I run the Smart String Utility, I do not get anything flashing or anything.
I was curious how the ones who have gotten it to work are programming the PIC and what version of the Microchip software they are using. Also, are they running the smart string utility with a USB dongle or Etherdongle?
I have tried both version 1 and version 3 of the standalone pickit3 programming utility with the same results. I am using an Etherdongle to program start channel and test. I have not tried with a USB dongle yet.
Rick P.
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Anyone else having any luck?
RJ
Mouser parts here yesterday plan to build and test soon. Anything particular to test? While I am at it, I assume in order to program 2nd universe is similar to older versions? (channel 4097 would be channel 1)
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I have been using the ETD to program with the SSC Utility. Remember to select PIC24F04KA200 chip when programming with the Pickit3 program. I do get an exception error when I start my SSC Utility,but if I hit continue it still works.
While I am at it, I assume in order to program 2nd universe is similar to older versions? (channel 4097 would be channel 1)
Sam, You will still program each universe 1-4096 (The SSC Utility will not let you program any higher) then you have to use the jumper wires on the Active hub to select which universe you want to use.
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I was waiting to see if anyone else posted, but I have not been able to get the new firmware to do anything.
If I use the original version 4 firmware, everything works fine. If I use the test, test2 or test3 version, I do not get anything from the SSC. When I run the Smart String Utility, I do not get anything flashing or anything.
I was curious how the ones who have gotten it to work are programming the PIC and what version of the Microchip software they are using. Also, are they running the smart string utility with a USB dongle or Etherdongle?
I have tried both version 1 and version 3 of the standalone pickit3 programming utility with the same results. I am using an Etherdongle to program start channel and test. I have not tried with a USB dongle yet.
Rick P.
Can't really tell from what you are saying where you problem is, but I made a comment earlier that when using the SSC Utility you MUST remove the Blue jumper before removing the cat 5 cable or the program will not take.
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So far its looking ok using the last v4 test hex file. Ill be doing more testing this afternoon and Ill report back. Sorry I share the pickit with my dad and he had it for other testing :)
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Going backwards its always a channel off for me
Couple Examples
14 nodes, null 0, grouping 1
Going backwards it doesn't start the red until channel 2
Going backwards with hybrid, channels 1,2,3 work on the how string but then the first node doesn't do the red until channel 5
Another thing that I really can't explain why but
14 nodes, null 1, grouping 4
Works fine forward, channel 1 lights up the 5th node. But in backwards it won't light up the last node until channel 35 and it lights up only the last 2 nodes. I would expect the same as forward meaning the 5th node in from the end would like at channel 1
It does this for both nodes and on the flex strip. Everything forward seems ok so far.
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Going backwards its always a channel off for me
Couple Examples
14 nodes, null 0, grouping 1
Going backwards it doesn't start the red until channel 2
Going backwards with hybrid, channels 1,2,3 work on the how string but then the first node doesn't do the red until channel 5
Another thing that I really can't explain why but
14 nodes, null 1, grouping 4
Works fine forward, channel 1 lights up the 5th node. But in backwards it won't light up the last node until channel 35 and it lights up only the last 2 nodes. I would expect the same as forward meaning the 5th node in from the end would like at channel 1
It does this for both nodes and on the flex strip. Everything forward seems ok so far.
Make sure that you are using the latest Hex labeled "V4 test 3.hex" as I had the same issue, but this fixed it for me.
In RJ's post #81 of this thread
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I was able to get it working. It was still doing the same as before. I tried the other suggestions listed here, but it still did not seem to work. Finally, I removed the cat5 cable while the SSU was transmitting and plugged it back in and the lights started blinking.
With this version of the firmware I seem to have to remove the connector while SSU is transmitting or wait until it is transmitting before plugging it in. I have to do this each time I program it. With the original version, I simply had to move the jumper while it was transmitting and then unplug it once it was finished to reset it.
Everything seems to be working. I will try to do some more testing this weekend.
Rick P.
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Going backwards its always a channel off for me
Couple Examples
14 nodes, null 0, grouping 1
Going backwards it doesn't start the red until channel 2
Going backwards with hybrid, channels 1,2,3 work on the how string but then the first node doesn't do the red until channel 5
Another thing that I really can't explain why but
14 nodes, null 1, grouping 4
Works fine forward, channel 1 lights up the 5th node. But in backwards it won't light up the last node until channel 35 and it lights up only the last 2 nodes. I would expect the same as forward meaning the 5th node in from the end would like at channel 1
It does this for both nodes and on the flex strip. Everything forward seems ok so far.
Make sure that you are using the latest Hex labeled "V4 test 3.hex" as I had the same issue, but this fixed it for me.
In RJ's post #81 of this thread
Well poo yep I was in too much of a hurry this morning since my dad was taking the pickit back. Thought I downloaded the latest but you're right I only did the test2. Ill have to go steal the pickit back >:D
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I was able to get it working. It was still doing the same as before. I tried the other suggestions listed here, but it still did not seem to work. Finally, I removed the cat5 cable while the SSU was transmitting and plugged it back in and the lights started blinking.
With this version of the firmware I seem to have to remove the connector while SSU is transmitting or wait until it is transmitting before plugging it in. I have to do this each time I program it. With the original version, I simply had to move the jumper while it was transmitting and then unplug it once it was finished to reset it.
Everything seems to be working. I will try to do some more testing this weekend.
Rick P.
Interesting I only change two lines of code in the reverse section of code, should have no change on the programming at all. I should be able fix the need to remove the cable. I will post a newer version later tonight.
RJ
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I have tested with both flexstrips and nodes just using the latest xlights test function. Both the flexstrips and nodes seem to work fine with one exception on the nodes which may not be due to the ssc. I am using a 50 ct string of nodes. When I program the start address all 50 nodes light up and flash red. When I go to operate mode and fire up xlights tester I only get 37 nodes working even though all of them light up during programming. The flexstrips that I hooked up for reference using V2 SSCs still work as expected with all 128 nodes working. All SSCs are programmed to address 1 for the test and I have all 512 channels activated in the first universe. I have to leave home for awhile now, but when I get back I will dig out some additional strings of nodes and see if the problem is only with this string or is consistent on other strings. I can also bring one of my window frames out of storage down to my shop and test with its 64 nodes. I will also try the reverse functions then.
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Thanks I hope to finish what I am working on late today and can clear the bench and do some testing on it myself.
RJ
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I have switched to using the test hex v3. I am using the etherdongle for all my tests. I retrieved a 128 node string for my latest tests. It works fine and does everything I expected. Went back to my 50 node string, used the ssc utility to set it for 128 nodes (to lazy to change it back to 50) and still get the last 13 nodes not working even though they all flash during programming. The last nodes do not light during any testing. Reset the SSC to string mode and 100% of all nodes work fine in all testing. Reset the SSC to backwards in string mode and all nodes work fine. Reset the SSC to individual nodes, 50 count, reverse order and the last nodes still do not work. I do not understand how the last nodes will work in one mode, but not another. I've also noticed that the two SSC v2 that I have also been using are much warmer than the SSC v4. Is that to be expected? My infrared sensor indicates around 125 F which I do not think is too hot, but I never noticed it before.
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Got the replacement board, and built it last night. Limited testing last night on rigid strips went well, with just the problems that others have noted above.
A few comments on building it, which I think are worth noting in the manual once that is written...
- There are two different capacitors used, both of which look identical except for the very, very tiny numbers written on them, so it can be very easy to confuse the two. Mine came in separate bags from mouser for one board, and I had to pay special attention not to confuse them. I can only imagine how hard it is going to be for someone who is in a coop to keep track. My recommendation is to install all of one type, take a break and then do the others.
- There are 3 other parts with 3 pins (I am not tech savvy enough to know what they all are and do), but they also all look very similar except for the tiny numbers on them. I am sure if there aren't installed in the right places, they aren't going to work. So just need to emphasize that they need to go in the right spot. This really isn't that much different from the old boards, just smaller parts and smaller numbers to try to read on them.
I do like the compact size of the new board and parts!
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I have switched to using the test hex v3. I am using the etherdongle for all my tests. I retrieved a 128 node string for my latest tests. It works fine and does everything I expected. Went back to my 50 node string, used the ssc utility to set it for 128 nodes (to lazy to change it back to 50) and still get the last 13 nodes not working even though they all flash during programming. The last nodes do not light during any testing. Reset the SSC to string mode and 100% of all nodes work fine in all testing. Reset the SSC to backwards in string mode and all nodes work fine. Reset the SSC to individual nodes, 50 count, reverse order and the last nodes still do not work. I do not understand how the last nodes will work in one mode, but not another. I've also noticed that the two SSC v2 that I have also been using are much warmer than the SSC v4. Is that to be expected? My infrared sensor indicates around 125 F which I do not think is too hot, but I never noticed it before.
I will be working on this today and hope to post new firmware for you guys to try. Yes the new unit will run cooler.
RJ
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Got the replacement board, and built it last night. Limited testing last night on rigid strips went well, with just the problems that others have noted above.
A few comments on building it, which I think are worth noting in the manual once that is written...
- There are two different capacitors used, both of which look identical except for the very, very tiny numbers written on them, so it can be very easy to confuse the two. Mine came in separate bags from mouser for one board, and I had to pay special attention not to confuse them. I can only imagine how hard it is going to be for someone who is in a coop to keep track. My recommendation is to install all of one type, take a break and then do the others.
- There are 3 other parts with 3 pins (I am not tech savvy enough to know what they all are and do), but they also all look very similar except for the tiny numbers on them. I am sure if there aren't installed in the right places, they aren't going to work. So just need to emphasize that they need to go in the right spot. This really isn't that much different from the old boards, just smaller parts and smaller numbers to try to read on them.
I do like the compact size of the new board and parts!
Yes we will have to have the member pay attetion do to the smaller parts being harder to read.
RJ
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I have switched to using the test hex v3. I am using the etherdongle for all my tests. I retrieved a 128 node string for my latest tests. It works fine and does everything I expected. Went back to my 50 node string, used the ssc utility to set it for 128 nodes (to lazy to change it back to 50) and still get the last 13 nodes not working even though they all flash during programming. The last nodes do not light during any testing. Reset the SSC to string mode and 100% of all nodes work fine in all testing. Reset the SSC to backwards in string mode and all nodes work fine. Reset the SSC to individual nodes, 50 count, reverse order and the last nodes still do not work. I do not understand how the last nodes will work in one mode, but not another. I've also noticed that the two SSC v2 that I have also been using are much warmer than the SSC v4. Is that to be expected? My infrared sensor indicates around 125 F which I do not think is too hot, but I never noticed it before.
I saw the same kind of thing on a flex strip but I also saw it on a v2 ssc so I figured it was the strip (bad at 36 area) and put a new strip in to do more testing. On both the v2 and v4 the entire strip flashes on programing but when testing it wouldn't go past node 36 (a strip of 42 nodes)
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Built mine yesterday and it went well. A few things: With V4test3 hex I got a checksum of E697. Also new pigtail (gray) is larger than the cream one and required same 15/64" hole as disconnect (I actually like that they are the same size now and the new pigtail seems beefier)
After spending some time with driver issues for pixelnet dongle since I am testing conductor I got blinky, well, sort of. With Xlights and vixen 2.1 tested new square nodes, rectangles, square modules (4 led), and flex and they all light and no flickering. I am having issues with the square modules but I think it is a bad few modules unrelated to new ssc and will fool with these later...
For the purposes of this discussion I am using 128ct of the new square rear entry nodes. With the utility programming for individual nodes of 128 forward, I get blue flashes. HOWEVER, the resulting output is hybrid mode only where first 3 channels drive the string and that's all. Tried a few times. Thoughts?
Once I get around this I will do some side by side testing and video.
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Ok got the bench cleared and loaded the newest firmware V4test3 ont he SSC v4. I have a 100 node string of Ws2811 hooked up and it works correctly. You do need to have the correct number of nodes programed into you ssc if you use backwards mode or it will not work. It needs to how many nodes it is working with to be able to reverse and have the right channels.
RJ
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Also I have looked at the code for programming and it is still working the same. When it is flashing it is programmed and will not update anything. You have to cycle power to it after swapping the jumper before it will go back to working. You can move the jumper before or after you remove power but it must be removed before you power it back up.
Check this all out for me and let me know as It seems to be working here.
RJ
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ok color me stupid. I picked a string from my unused stash that was labeled 50, but decided to count the lit nodes versus my previous count of the unlit nodes. Turns out I can't count and that the string marked 50 is actually 62 nodes. Probably explains why I could not find the 62 count string I needed for a section of gutter line last November. All tests work exactly has would be expected both in forward and reverse. I even used a chase and sat and watched 186 channels light up one at a time in both forward and reverse. The flexstrips have always worked it was just the nodes that were not working as I thought they should. I guess we need another rule about "do not assume what is written is correct" or "count twice, program once". LOL. Let's get a coop started.
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Like Jim, color me stupid also. <fp.
It took RJ a blink of the eye to figure out why my SSC v4 was working right. I was justing an older version of the Smart String Utility.
I got the latest version and now it is working perfectly. I see no problem running a coop for it
Rick R.
btw: I will be updating the wiki with the latest version of the SSU
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Like Jim, color me stupid also. <fp.
It took RJ a blink of the eye to figure out why my SSC v4 was working right. I was justing an older version of the Smart String Utility.
I got the latest version and now it is working perfectly. I see no problem running a coop for it
Rick R.
btw: I will be updating the wiki with the latest version of the SSU
Does the new one work with v1 and v2?
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No it was the one with the additional features put out for the SSC mod version 3. I do not believe the V1 and V2 firmware support the new format unless I am confused which I could be my brain is mush from long hours programming this week.
RJ
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Like Jim, color me stupid also. <fp.
It took RJ a blink of the eye to figure out why my SSC v4 was working right. I was justing an older version of the Smart String Utility.
I got the latest version and now it is working perfectly. I see no problem running a coop for it
Rick R.
btw: I will be updating the wiki with the latest version of the SSU
I have been following post and thank all of you for testing and all you'll do <res.. Now I cant wait for this coop. <;d
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I have been able to do some more testing and everything is working fine.
I flashed the PIC with the test3 firmware. Then, I plug in the cat5 cable with the program jumper removed. I start the smart string utility and change the settings. I click transmit and install the program jumper. Nothing happens. If I install the program jumper before I plug in the cat5 cable, the lights will start to flash as soon as I click the transmit button. Then, I can remove the jumper and unplug the cat5 cable and everything works fine as soon as I plug it back in.
It only does this on the initial programming. After it is programmed the first time, I can plug in the SSC with the jumper removed. Then, start the smart string utility and click transmit. I can install the jumper and the lights will flash. Once I remove the jumper and reset the SSC, it works as expected.
I don't think this is an issue, but I wanted to explain my experience because at first I thought there was a problem since the initial programming was different than what I was expecting.
Everything else that I could think of to test works fine.
Rick P.
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No it was the one with the additional features put out for the SSC mod version 3. I do not believe the V1 and V2 firmware support the new format unless I am confused which I could be my brain is mush from long hours programming this week.
RJ
That's what I thought. I wouldn't replace the utility in the wiki I would just add a line item noting what versions it can be used on. I'm sure I'm not the only one out there with v1 and unmodded v2 that need both versions of the tool.
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Oh and I forgot to say once I loaded the v3 test hex everything tested ok for me on nodes, flex , and squares.
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please throw the kitchen sink at it as I need to be 100% sure it is ready for prime time since we are going to be launching a coop as soon as we are sure it is ready. Does anyone have any of the nodes that people said the V3 mode did not like? I would like to know if this design improves the operation as that was the intent of going to a mosfet to insure full voltage at drive current levels. This change also helped allow me to operate at longer distances from the SSC to the first node.
RJ
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hmm I just got the thing working. Ok boss will do
I will have to go through my rick pile of lights to find the trouble makers
Opps, tomorrow today is my youngest son's Birthday so it will have to be later in the night before I can test.
Rick R.
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With a pic reflash I am now 100%. (pickit3 > E697) Programming flashing is still blue but faster than was before (same speed as previous versions of programming flash)
Forward, backward, and hybrid all check out 100% for me.
I am not sure if anyone else is dealing with this but in the programming utility the SS device type (rgb color order if I am not mistaken) the choices do not match my gear. IE - rectangular nodes need to use flex strip for proper order, etc. In fact, new square nodes (not modules) cannot be programmed correctly from the utility. I think they are BGR. I can fix in LSP but what if instead of devices type listed, there were rgb color order choices? Maybe all 9? Just a thought.
Will throw more at it soon now that I got it working. Nighty night.
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Glad to hear it!
I did it that way originally to make it easier for the users but they have produced them with the order all over the place so I guess I am ready to do this. Just do not expect it soon as I am in battle at the moment with much bigger goals items.
RJ
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I reprogrammed some V2 to change the start address using the same utility I used with the V4. I have not noticed any changes in using the V2. Or are you guys talking about firmware. It would be great if we all started talking about flashing firmware and programming start addresses so we could be sure which function we are talking about. I think a lot of folks get confused when we talk about programming both firmware and using the SSC utility. To my way of thinking when it comes to the PIC only RJ is doing programming. The rest of us are just flashing his programmed firmware to our PICs. Does that make sense?
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I was confused. I remeber now I did it in a way that the new firmware does work on the old SSC's just not the other way around.
RJ
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Now I am confused. Did you mean the new utility works on older SSC's? Or the firmware?
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Now I am confused. Did you mean the new utility works on older SSC's? Or the firmware?
The Smart String Utility (SSU) from 9/30/12 is compatible with all version of the SSC, DSC (firmware ver 1 - 4)
The SSU before version 9/30/12 is Not fully compatible with the newer SSC firmware (v3+)
clear as mud? ;)
Rick R.
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That is what I was thinking. I just wanted clarification to be sure.
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Glad to hear it!
I did it that way originally to make it easier for the users but they have produced them with the order all over the place so I guess I am ready to do this. Just do not expect it soon as I am in battle at the moment with much bigger goals items.
RJ
No rush. You have been coding like a young Bill Gates. Hope to jump in the conductor beta and see if I can help.
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Glad to hear it!
I did it that way originally to make it easier for the users but they have produced them with the order all over the place so I guess I am ready to do this. Just do not expect it soon as I am in battle at the moment with much bigger goals items.
RJ
No rush. You have been coding like a young Bill Gates. Hope to jump in the conductor beta and see if I can help.
Young Bill Gates coded little to nothing. Just saying. Go with a young Wozniak as a better analogy
Kurt
Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2
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Touche', sir. ;D
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Young Bill Gates coded little to nothing. Just saying. Go with a young Wozniak as a better analogy
Kurt
Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2
Wozniak? he tinkered in old Atari parts...
cant wait to see these newer SSC's <pop..
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Keep up the testing guys! We want to get a coop going soon but we need to know it is 100%.
Try everything you can and then post your findings.
RJ
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Has anyone confirmed the in-between grouping capabilities, I.e. groups of 5-15 nodes or so ? Thanks rj and all the beta testers !
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Happy to test it but not sure exactly how it grouping should work. Is it like a hybrid mode but controls a group? IE 100 nodes, 10 groups. Channels 1, 2, 3 control RGB first 10 nodes, channels 4, 5, 6 control RGB for next 10 nodes, etc OR does channel 1, 2, 3 control RGB for every ten nodes. Nodes 1, 11, 21, 31, 41, 51, 61, 71, 81, 91 would be red, 2, 12, 22 green etc. OR probably something else entirely... ;D
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IE 100 nodes, 10 groups. Channels 1, 2, 3 control RGB first 10 nodes, channels 4, 5, 6 control RGB for next 10 nodes, etc
When I tested this is how it worked for me and worked without problem for me.
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Thanks. Glad to see it's working but I'll test it too. I just have to try this now to see for myself...
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Backwards with grouping seems to be off (or I'm just not getting what grouping/null is supposed to do) :D
14 node string with 1 null node and grouping of 2
I would expect on channel 1,2,3 the 3rd and 4th nodes from the end to light up but at channels 25,26,27 the 1st and 2nd from the end light up and so on groups of 2 nodes light as I go up.
14 node string with 0 null nodes and grouping of 2
nothing happens until channels 22,23,24
14 node string with 0 null nodes and grouping of 1
works perfect at channels 1,2,3
Forward using the same as above works great nulls and grouping
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Backwards with grouping seems to be off (or I'm just not getting what grouping/null is supposed to do) :D
14 node string with 1 null node and grouping of 2
I would expect on channel 1,2,3 the 3rd and 4th nodes from the end to light up but at channels 25,26,27 the 1st and 2nd from the end light up and so on groups of 2 nodes light as I go up.
14 node string with 0 null nodes and grouping of 2
nothing happens until channels 22,23,24
14 node string with 0 null nodes and grouping of 1
works perfect at channels 1,2,3
Forward using the same as above works great nulls and grouping
I agree that there seems to be an issue:
Flex Strip 120 nodes Programmed backwards no null, 2 grouping
1st light on channel 181= 2 lights red, 182= 2 lights, green, 183= 2 light blue and so on.
No lights before 181
Forward works as it should
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Ok Thanks for catching this,
I am deep into programming on something else so it will be a few days before I can look at this. But I will fix it and repost updated firmware as soon as I can.
RJ
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No worries you're doing awesome, Ill keep testing.
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Did some testing and concur forward grouping, null, 3 channel string, hyBIRD ;D works great. Typical 1 group backward is ok as is backward hybrid. That said, I agree backward is off with nulls and groups.
Backward grouping, no nulls, start channel programmed as channel 1, direction is right but:
100ct nodes, 5 group: lighted start channel is 241, end channel is 300 (s/b 1-59 right)
100ct nodes, 10 group: start is 271, end is 300 (s/b 1-29)
100ct nodes, 20 group: start is 286, end is again 300 (s/b 1-14)
Backward nulls with no grouping do not work at all but display same starting pattern as above (end at 300). They light but no nulls at all. Anyway got crazy and tried several backward groups with null nodes and this causes a hanging process that must be killed with task mgr. Maybe they are not to be used simult but figured I try.
Grouping is actually pretty cool btw.
I made it a point to test fades and intensity changes occasionally with each test and happy to report no flicker and the lower intensity responds well and incan like. I love it. Looking to go side by side with V3s and some LSP stuff.
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Great! I having all this helps me when I sit down to fix it.
RJ
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This year I added 8 ss flex strip arches. To cut down on programming I did did 8 groups of 15 nodes each and they were great and very easy to program. One cool discovery was using a twinkle effect on the arches as it turned each group a different color ... Which was very cool, but also very simple. I only used forward grouping.
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Wanted to report I had a bad first module with my 4 led square module string and after removed the rest of the string performs excellent with V4. Tried ramps/fades and other things to try and shake it but it is solid.
On the topic of cool discoveries, I found when I accidentally added a twinkle effect to a string programmed for hybrid the resulting look is a pleasing retro blinker bulb look I've not seen before with leds.
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OK so stupid question here. If you program a Square module should the programming make it RGB in testing or is it still going to be BGR?
Never mind. Must have not taken a program correctly. Reprogrammed backwards and is working as it should.
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Ok,
I am on the bug on the reverse with the groups size more than one issue.
One question? Should we count null modes in the node count. In other words when you say 100 nodes on the SSC utility are you including the one nul node you told it, or is a 100 string with one nul node input as a 99 node string to the SSC utility? I am not sure one is right and the other is wrong but I need to know to program it correctly. I have the issues worked out on the backwards with group but this question matters when you put node nodes in and are in reverse. Does not matter with the forward direction at all.
RJ
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I'll pass on this as I have never used null nodes nor grouping and have no idea what the answer should be. We need someone who has used or is planning to use these features to give us the input.
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I went with my feeling. You will say a 100 node string is a 100 node string no matter how many nul nodes you use. it will handle the math on the ssc side of the house.
RJ
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Ok I think this should work now.
Give it a try and let me know.
You set the node count to the total nodes. If you use Nul nodes it will subtract them from the useable node count in the firmware. So a 100ct string is still 100 nodes even if you are using 20 nul nodes and so only have 80 nodes to control. The channels would be 240 not 300 channels in this case. Remember your software does not know about nul nodes so you do not show them in your seqence software.
RJ
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I went with my feeling. You will say a 100 node string is a 100 node string no matter how many nul nodes you use. it will handle the math on the ssc side of the house.
RJ
I would agree with that RJ
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Ok I think this should work now.
Give it a try and let me know.
You set the node count to the total nodes. If you use Nul nodes it will subtract them from the useable node count in the firmware. So a 100ct string is still 100 nodes even if you are using 20 nul nodes and so only have 80 nodes to control. The channels would be 240 not 300 channels in this case. Remember your software does not know about nul nodes so you do not show them in your seqence software.
RJ
Will test tomorrow. Thanks RJ!
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I agree too, 100 is 100 even if you have nulls.
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Pickit 3 checksum F171; White program flashes now ;D
Backward single group good; Backward 5, 10, 20, 50 groups good;
Backward group with nulls mostly works but there are nulls on both ends, and the backward null is calculated as group minus null; IE:
Backward, 10 group, 5 nulls: 5 nulls at both ends, but rest is OK. (10-5=5)
backward, 25 group, 10 nulls: null at back is 15, and 10 at front. (25-10=15)
backward, 50 group, 20 nulls: null at back is 30, and 20 at front. (50-20=30)
backward, 50 group, 5 nulls: null at back is 45 and 5 at front. (50-5=45)
As I type this I am not really sure if the null is supposed to be backward or not since I believe the function is a data repeater and data always comes from front near ssc but I originally expected backward nulls to be at rear/back...
Not sure if intentional but the larger the group the slower the program flash. Just something I notice.
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Ok lets think about this. I may have an bug but lets think about it first.
If your string is 100 nodes set to reverse and you do 3 nuls and group at five for an example.
100node - 5nuls = 95 nodes to work with.
95 / 10 = 9.5 groups to display, but I do not display partial groups as this would look incorrect on say an arch etc.
So you should see 9 groups of 10
9 groups * 10 per group = 90 nodes being used.
So 5 should not do anything + 5 nuls should not do anything.
I think it is working with the one problem. The unused nodes (not nul nodes) should be swapped to the other end of the string and you would have basicly the same as 5 nuls.
Lets just for fun try 10nuls on the same setup and see if it starts at the last node of the string.
RJ
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Yes it works correct in that setup. I will fix the issue were it puts the left overs from the groups into the nul node pool so it is in the beginning of the string when in reverse.
RJ
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Yep, 10 nulls, 10 group works for me too. I assume that null nodes are at front nearest ssc now which makes sense. I kinda thought null nodes just pushed things downstream but node pool makes sense.
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The nul nodes are at the front as you said. But when you do not have a number of nodes left after the nuls to divide even by your groups it means you will have unused nodes. I just am putting them at the wrong end of the string in reverse mode I am fixing it.
RJ
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RJ in Hybrid mode backwards does not work as it should. The first three channels do nothing. Then works as it should.
Example Flex Strip programmed for backwards Hybrid\ 120 node\no null\1 grouping
Channel 1-3 no not turn any lights on
Channel 4 on = red last node in string
Channel 5 on = green last node in string and so on.
Also a question. Should grouping and null node work in Hybrid? I don't use it so I don't know. If so it is not working either. More details if needed.
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Same here; but to be clear, the last 3 channels (300, 301, & 302 for 100ct string) control rgb for the string instead first three (1, 2 & 3). So hybrid backwards is, uh, backward. ;D
What's next? Hybrid, backward, nulls, grouped, and a partridge in a pear tree!
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Wow you guys are becoming a pain! just kidding! <yk..
This is what I want. We need it to 100% when we go to coop.
Ok try this to fix the non hybird issues. I will look at the hybird issues when I get back tonight.
RJ
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100ct hybrid, backward, 10 nulls, 10 group works mostly. First three channels nothing, then works good as groups of ten in right direction, until channels 27. 27 should be blue for group 3 but acts as red for string, 28 green for string, 29 blue for string, but then channel 30 is 2nd group red, then nothing. Correct number of nulls nodes stay dark.
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Pickit 3 F8F7;
100ct nodes
Backward no nulls 1 group check.
Backward no nulls, 10 group, check.
Backward no nulls, 50 group, check.
Backward 10 nulls, 1 group, check.
Backward 10 nulls, 10 group, check.
Backward 10 nulls, 45 group, nulls at correct channels near ssc, check. <res.
Backward 5 nulls, 5 group, nulls correct, check.
NOTE: With groups you need to remember actual node count must be at least the group totals and/or nulls plus group totals, or you lose last group. This could be "fun" in the event you miscount nodes and are a node short...
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This could be "fun" in the event you miscount nodes and are a node short...
But when we know firmware is correct, it will also be a good "count check". ;)
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A question that I have though that did not get answered is should null nodes and grouping work in Hybrid? Or is Hybrid strictly forward and backward?
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A question that I have though that did not get answered is should null nodes and grouping work in Hybrid? Or is Hybrid strictly forward and backward?
Ok try this to fix the non hybird issues. I will look at the hybird issues when I get back tonight.
I'm sorry I thought I had answered you when I posted this. But I see it could be missed as saying yes easy.
I expect it to all behave correctly together. Now some of the wild combinations, there is likely some arguments that could be made on what is correct.
I will have the Hybird stuff working with the Groups and nuls tonight or tommorrow night. I am hoping then we will have the bases all covered as the String mode is not effective by reverse. And the nul nodes already work in it.
RJ
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I expect it to all behave correctly together. Now some of the wild combinations, there is likely some arguments that could be made on what is correct.
I will have the Hybird stuff working with the Groups and nuls tonight or tommorrow night. I am hoping then we will have the bases all covered as the String mode is not effective by reverse. And the nul nodes already work in it.
RJ
OK that clarifies it for me thanks.
So another question. ( I guess I am just having some brain fade here) So if you have say a 100 node string with say 5 null nodes and a 3 grouping in Hybrid mode How many channels should you actually have then? If the first 3 in Hybrid are "All" RGB In this senario
Channel 6 = All Red
Channel 7= All Green
Channel 8= All Blue
Channel 9= first 3 nodes Red
Channel 10= First 3 Blue and so on.... OR
Channel 8= all On Red... SO on? Make sense?
So total Channel count would be 68?
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I am afraid you have lost me on this one?
100 nodes, hybird, 5 null nodes, 3 grouping I assume forward.
100 nodes - 5 null = 95
95 / 3 = 31.66666
We can do 31 groups then. 31 groups * 3 channels per = 93 channels + 3 fake hybird channels
You will have 5 nuls that do nothing, and 2 nodes on the end that do nothing.
5nul + (31 * 3) + 2 = 100 nodes
The hybird channels are fake and do not really count as nodes.
RJ
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I am afraid you have lost me on this one?
100 nodes, hybird, 5 null nodes, 3 grouping I assume forward.
100 nodes - 5 null = 95
95 / 3 = 31.66666
We can do 31 groups then. 31 groups * 3 channels per = 93 channels + 3 fake hybird channels
You will have 5 nuls that do nothing, and 2 nodes on the end that do nothing.
5nul + (31 * 3) + 2 = 100 nodes
The hybird channels are fake and do not really count as nodes.
RJ
Starting to feel like I am back in Algebra Class ::)
Rick R.
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I expect it to all behave correctly together. Now some of the wild combinations, there is likely some arguments that could be made on what is correct.
I will have the Hybrid stuff working with the Groups and nulls tonight or tommorrow night. I am hoping then we will have the bases all covered as the String mode is not effective by reverse. And the null nodes already work in it.
RJ
OK that clarifies it for me thanks.
So another question. ( I guess I am just having some brain fade here) So if you have say a 100 node string with say 5 null nodes and a 3 grouping in Hybrid mode How many channels should you actually have then? If the first 3 in Hybrid are "All" RGB In this scenario
Channel 6 = All Red
Channel 7= All Green
Channel 8= All Blue
Channel 9= first 3 nodes Red
Channel 10= First 3 Blue and so on.... OR
Channel 8= all On Red... SO on? Make sense?
So total Channel count would be 68?
If you have 100 nodes with 5 null, you would have 95 nodes. With grouping of 3, you would have 31 groups with 2 extra nodes not used. With 31 groups in hybrid mode, you would have 96 channels. The first channel will always be 1 or whatever you program it to.
Channel 1 = All Red
Channel 2 = All Green
Channel 3 = All Blue
Channel 4 = First 3 nodes Red
Channel 5 = First 3 nodes Green
Channel 6 = First 3 nodes Blue
Channel 7 = Second 3 nodes Red
...
Channel 96 = Last 3 nodes Blue
You would have 5 nodes at the beginning of the string that do not light and 2 nodes at the end of the string that do not light.
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If you have 100 nodes with 5 null, you would have 95 nodes. With grouping of 3, you would have 31 groups with 2 extra nodes not used. With 31 groups in hybrid mode, you would have 96 channels. The first channel will always be 1 or whatever you program it to.
Channel 1 = All Red
Channel 2 = All Green
Channel 3 = All Blue
Channel 4 = First 3 nodes Red
Channel 5 = First 3 nodes Green
Channel 6 = First 3 nodes Blue
Channel 7 = Second 3 nodes Red
...
Channel 96 = Last 3 nodes Blue
You would have 5 nodes at the beginning of the string that do not light and 2 nodes at the end of the string that do not light.
That make sense and was what I was trying to do. I just can't divide! :-[ But did not know if the 2 left over lights should be at the beginning or the end and if they used any channels if in the beginning.
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Ok here it is with the Hybird fixes for nul nodes and groups!
Good lord I did not realize how many ways these little thing could get configured.
Give it heck and see what you find.
I will point out there is no such thing as String mode with reverse ????. It does not work correct and the updated SSC utility will disable the ablilty to choose it in the next release.
RJ
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How about changing the direction of each node >:D (forward or backward)
LOL
Rick R.
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Ok here it is with the Hybird fixes for nul nodes and groups!
Good lord I did not realize how many ways these little thing could get configured.
Give it heck and see what you find.
I will point out there is no such thing as String mode with reverse ????. It does not work correct and the updated SSC utility will disable the ablilty to choose it in the next release.
RJ
Hey you built them!!! We just get to play with them! ;)
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You are going to shoot me, but it appears that null nodes are not working
Hybrid\backwards\120 nodes\5 null\1 grouping\Flex Strips=
Channel 1 all red
2 green
3 blue
4 last node in string red (as it should be)
5 last node green......
Grouping does appear to be working, but still no nulls.
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In the above scenario channel 348 is node 114 blue nodes 115-120 do not light.
Hope this helps. If you are not screaming blood murder right now!
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It is working here with those settings. The nodes will be on the SSC side always even in reverse as it should be.
RJ
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It is working here with those settings. The nodes will be on the SSC side always even in reverse as it should be.
RJ
OK I see what you are saying, but I seem to have 6 null nodes if that is the case. Make Sense?
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Forgive my ignorance, I don't use Null nodes or hybrid. :-[
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Forgive my ignorance, I don't use Null nodes or hybrid. :-[
It's ok better to ask the question. Is it making sense and working now?
Your 120 node is really 125 since you have 5 nodes it ignores. so your 1st node is still channel #1 but it is not node #1 but #6, in reverse it should be node #125
It is also not channel #1 but channel #4.... <yk..
It gets confusing when you get hybrid in reverse with nuls as you already have three fake channels
RJ
btw .... my head hurts from working this and trying to keep it straight in my head! <md..
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RJ I understand what you are saying (At least I think <fp.), but If I only program 5 null nodes and 1 grouping should not all but the 1st 5 nodes in the string work? Or am I really still missing something.
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What I am seeing is that from the 1st node from the SSC I cannot turn on the 6th node in the string. They all light with channel 1,2,3.
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RJ
btw .... my head hurts from working this and trying to keep it straight in my head! <md..
Hybrid, Null Nodes, Reverse order what a Brilliant Stupid Idea <res.
LOL
Rick R.
I agree, my brain is hurting and I am not doing code.
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What's code? ??? >:D
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If it makes any difference I am trying to break something else, but so far cannot! Someone else may need to try! <res.
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OK I spoke too soon. Now if I program Hybrid\120 nodes\0 nulls\1 grouping\ flex
I get no lights at all. I thought that maybe I broke Xlights so I reflashed with the v6 firmware rebooted and tried again.... nothing, reprogrammed back to 5 nulls and started working again. Don't know if it is me or another issue. Can someone else verify? If I program any nulls I get lights.
BTW Cannot get it to work Forwards or Backwards with no nulls.
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I am having issues and can't pin it down yet. Is V6 hybrid, null + group firmware only? I like to warm up testing by starting with simple things and then move to advanced stuff and can't get much of the simpler stuff to work... Plain ol hybrid does not work for me, nor does 3 channel string.
Pickit 3 F0F1 checksum. Program flashes but no blinky. Tried reflashing pic several times. Reflashed v5 firmware and works as expected.
That said, I can test hybrid with nulls and groups with v6?!
IE:
hybrid, 10 nulls, 45 group: CHECK!
hybrid, backward, 10 nulls, 45 group: CHECK!
hybrid, backward, 10 nulls, 5 group: CHECK!
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I am having issues and can't pin it down yet. Is V6 hybrid, null + group firmware only? I like to warm up testing by starting with simple things and then move to advanced stuff and can't get much of the simpler stuff to work... Plain ol hybrid does not work for me, nor does 3 channel string.
Pickit 3 F0F1 checksum. Program flashes but no blinky. Tried reflashing pic several times. Reflashed v5 firmware and works as expected.
That said, I can test hybrid with nulls and groups with v6?!
IE:
hybrid, 10 nulls, 45 group: CHECK!
hybrid, backward, 10 nulls, 45 group: CHECK!
hybrid, backward, 10 nulls, 5 group: CHECK!
Sam I can get 3 channel working fine for me. Same check sum.
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3 channel string and hybrid only work for me with nulls.
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3 channel string and hybrid only work for me with nulls.
You are correct, I must have had a null programmed. Does not work without a null AND even with a (1) Null they ALL light! There is no null
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Ouch!
Oh Man! Ok I must of not tried it with no nuls after the changes. I will hit it again tommorrow. Been working on Conductor code so bed time.
RJ
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Ok. Long day for me too...
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I can't walk so I can keep going!!! >:D
Good night guys!
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RJ,
Thank you for keeping this beta testing thread open for all us to follow! I've learned more about how the SSC works by following this then I have found else where.
Sorry for the hijack... keep up the great work! <res.
Doug
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No problem it is really not an official beta but it works. most members do not know the time put in to the stuff by those that help. they do a lot of work for us and the stuff only goes out when they say it is ready in a real coop. Does not mean there will be no issues, just means they are not able to get it to fail. once you release you still find stuff. Look at the conductor, until everyone started trying it we did not know certain FM transmitters, speakers would cause issues. None of the beta guys had any of the ones creating the issues. We found a fix for it now. And once the new firmware is released it should be a more mature item. So What I am saying is in the end the members finish the beta testing. There is no way all issue can be found even in a large beta. Everyone uses different setups.
The SSC v4 is the same we improve until we end up with something no one wants changed. Like the V5 express.
RJ
RJ
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I think we are approaching or have met diminishing returns with the SSCv4. At this point I don't see any real differences in my favorite SSCv3.1 and v5 but I have yet to hook them up side by side (which I will do). If there are differences they will likely be minor. I think many of the things RJ has been challenged with the SSC were out of his control, like evolving supplies/part changes in smart gear made by the factory in China.
What's funny about this "beta" is I expected to be desoldering resistors, swapping parts, cutting traces, and instead it's more or less a firmware thing so the hardware itself is solid and has been 100% from day one. <res.
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What's funny about this "beta" is I expected to be desoldering resistors, swapping parts, cutting traces, and instead it's more or less a firmware thing so the hardware itself is solid and has been 100% from day one. <res.
I agree except if we keep going much longer I am going to need a new 2 pin header and jumper! ;) >:D
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Hi guys,
Quick question: Has anybody tested the usable length of wire between the SSC and first node?
Thanks
Rick R.
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What's funny about this "beta" is I expected to be desoldering resistors, swapping parts, cutting traces, and instead it's more or less a firmware thing so the hardware itself is solid and has been 100% from day one. <res.
I agree except if we keep going much longer I am going to need a new 2 pin header and jumper! ;) >:D
<la..
I could probably program an ssc blindfolded if the program utility was tab friendly...
The cool part about this is last year programming was a long arduous process/learning experience and this year it will be simple as I have a much better understanding of it.
Rick, happy to test it out distance. Trying to figure best way to test/minimizing wire loss. Maybe start out at 24' and cut 2' off and retest?
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Hey zwiller when you start testing distance here is the symptoms you may see when the distance is too great. It occured for me way back on the v2 mod. Which is why the v3 mod was created. This was way back when there was a ringing problem so I am not sure if the symptom would be the same for these v4 ssc's but you could try the procedure below.
(I run my strings in hybrid mode so I test with the first 3 channels of the string to turn on all nodes of the strand at the same time. First I turn all 3 channels on to create white. I then turn off green and notice node number 1 stays white. The rest are yellow but all should be purple. Turn them all back on then turn red off and the string turns red and the first node stays white. You can turn on and off each channel and the first node will usually be a different color. I have even seen node 1 be blue with all 3 channels turned off.)
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Hmm not sure why but I can't get any output on 3 channel or hybrid modes at all. Change back to individual nodes and it works as I expect. Tried multiple times and nothing. test 6 is the version I am using.
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Todd, I have same issue with v6, use some nulls or hybrid doesn't work.
Keith, thanks check out later, rushing to mow and grill before some rain. Recommend a distance to start with?
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Todd, I have same issue with v6, use some nulls or hybrid doesn't work.
Keith, thanks check out later, rushing to mow and grill before some rain. Recommend a distance to start with?
Nah I don't have a recommended distance to start with. When I converted mine to v3 I left all my distances arount 2 feet as that was what worked with v2 and I really didn't need them any longer at the time. I am not part of this beta either.
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Everyone is a part of this beta that loads the code and tests it.
If you get 30 ft it would be amazing but it might be able to do it, I have not tested it out that far. It seems to handle it better than the earlier versions for sure. <pop..
RJ
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Okay let me rephrase that. I didn't get the new ssc hardware :)
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Ok v7 to test. should have the issue fix in this one. break it and tell me whats wrong with it so I can fix it again! <wd..
I will check back in a little while to see what you guys found out <pop..
RJ
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SSCv4 v6 firmware
forward, individual nodes, 100ct square rear entry 1804 nodes
24" test leads from the Shack + 30' of 3 wire from Ray (34' total)
Each individual node lights and responds well and I can change intensity (vixen). That said, when I light them all I get lock up... If I only light about 30 simult channels, I can control well, but anymore than that it gets weird: multi color, flicker, etc.
Try 20'? (with test leads = 24')
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Can you solder the wire directly as the test leads will have a lot of resistance and under the load of full on is dropping the voltage alot on you. It could be very different with no leads.
RJ
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V7 D8D3 pickit 3
Individual pixels, forward, no nulls, 1 group: check
3 channel string, forward, no nulls, 1 group: check
hybrid mode, forward, no nulls, 1 group: check
Individual pixels, backward, no nulls, 1 group: check
hybrid mode, backward, no nulls, 1 group: check
Individual pixels, backward, 10 nulls, 1 group: check (nulls near ssc)
3 channel string, 10 nulls, 1 group: check
hybrid mode, backward, 10 nulls, 1 group: check
Individual pixels, forward, no nulls, 25 group: check (once again groups are kewl)
hybrid mode, forward, no nulls, 25 group: check
hybrid mode, forward, no nulls, 45 group: check
Ok, for my last trick...
Individual pixels, backward, 10 nulls, 5 group: check
hybrid mode, backward, 10 nulls, 45 group: check
hybrid mode, backward, 1 null, 3 group: check
I think you got it! <res.
Soldering iron warming up... ;D
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You guys are fast.... just as I am getting test 5 loaded and tested to report, I see everything I found is already posted, fixed, and test 7 is out there. Good news is hardware is standing up strong to lots of reprogramming and running non-stop for 48 hours.
Stupid question, but do I need to load test 6 before test 7, or can I go right from test 5 to test 7? I think I can go from a blank to test 7, but wanted to be sure before I have to start over.
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Just jump right into v7 no need to load previous...
Can you solder the wire directly as the test leads will have a lot of resistance and under the load of full on is dropping the voltage alot on you. It could be very different with no leads.
RJ
Soldered the connections and unfortunately acts same and locks up with all channels... But, I can get about 60 channels on before it gets wonky. Try 20'?
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Go 25 feet it likely will work at that point would be my guess.
RJ
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Did anyone take pictures of their build. Is anyone able to work on a manual or if not at least send me images to use to create it. The V4 is different enough I need to get a manual made for it. We will be doing a coop very shortly if nothing turns up in the next few days of testing.
RJ
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Have not started testing length yet but
Individuals Forward, with or without nulls, 1 or more grouping = ok
Individuals Backwards, with or without nulls 1 or more grouping = ok
3 Channel with or without nulls = ok
Hybrid Forward with or without nulls, 1 or more grouping = ok
Hybrid Backwards with or without nulls, 1 or more grouping= ok
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Did anyone take pictures of their build. Is anyone able to work on a manual or if not at least send me images to use to create it. The V4 is different enough I need to get a manual made for it. We will be doing a coop very shortly if nothing turns up in the next few days of testing.
RJ
Sorry I did not take any pictures.
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Of Course I took Pictures LOL
I am ready to build the manual
Rick R.
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Not a whole lot improvement at 25' maybe 90 channels before issues.
Also tried 20' and good to about 150 channels.
Seems like full string white is the issue, full string rgb each is ok. Maybe a voltage drop issue and not data?
Tested out for the night. Back to normally scheduled programs...
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Right now I am 120 nodes Flex Strip 26 feet all white and all ok right now.
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Everyone test at short lengths also. Mine is at about 9 inches right now with no issues.
RJ
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Of Course I took Pictures LOL
I am ready to build the manual
Rick R.
You are the bomb! <res.
RJ
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I've got about 30 inches on mine at the start and I've been fine this whole time. Ill test v7 out tonight after work.
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My tests were done with a SSC fully built with pigtails and waterproof female connector, connected to male waterproof connector pigtail to 24" Shack test leads clipped to string. Not a single issue.
With respect to max distance from SSC to first node, I will test a few more lengths and see what I get, but I cannot think of any good reason to go so far. Especially since last year I successfully used several 50' cat 5 cables from hub to SSC with no issues.
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All of my initial tests were with about 9" soldered and ready for the outdoors. 26' test is soldered and shrink wrapped. Will test with regular nodes tonight, but left 120 node Flex strip on RGBW cycle all night and were still going strong this morning. Have not tried any fading @ 26' just on off.
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My tests were done with a SSC fully built with pigtails and waterproof female connector, connected to male waterproof connector pigtail to 24" Shack test leads clipped to string. Not a single issue.
With respect to max distance from SSC to first node, I will test a few more lengths and see what I get, but I cannot think of any good reason to go so far. Especially since last year I successfully used several 50' cat 5 cables from hub to SSC with no issues.
I agree, but I actually used a 100' section of cat 5 on one set of my roof lights because I did not plan properly, but had no issues at all. It was on a regular 104 node string with 8" spacing.
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but I cannot think of any good reason to go so far. Especially since last year I successfully used several 50' cat 5 cables from hub to SSC with no issues.
Mainly because the Zeus systems use the same drive circuit so we want to see how far it can reliably drive the string out to with out going to nul nodes ect. This will let people plan better if we know you can go say 20 ft everytime.
The SSC were designed so that it did not matter as the controller is always close to the lights.
RJ
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Point taken. A possible explanation for Roger's strips working could be due to their short length (13.5') versus 30' or so feet of my nodes? I'll finish testing the max distance for the Zeus. But hey, folks doing a 80-100' (40' base) mega tree should not expect to use the Zeus since they should be able to afford the hubs and ssc's. ;D
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Agreed!
Sent from my Charge by Tapatalk
RJ
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Did anyone take pictures of their build. Is anyone able to work on a manual or if not at least send me images to use to create it. The V4 is different enough I need to get a manual made for it. We will be doing a coop very shortly if nothing turns up in the next few days of testing.
RJ
<pop.. Engines Warming up!!!!
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I finally found something wrong! In the Smart String Utility with the grouping, the text for Program reads "Progran".
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RJ plans to fix the utility for color order options and maybe that will get fixed then. I am starting to wonder if it is actually was intentional since I get a chuckle now and then seeing that and hyBIRD... Same goes for Rick's color finder. His wife must wear alot of Chanel. ;D
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<la..
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RJ plans to fix the utility for color order options and maybe that will get fixed then. I am starting to wonder if it is actually was intentional since I get a chuckle now and then seeing that and hyBIRD... Same goes for Rick's color finder. His wife must wear alot of Chanel. ;D
Whats wrong with color finder? Under setting there is a color order selection that allows you to select any order you like.
Rick R.
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My bad, it's the Start Channel program with "Chanel" shown. ;D
But of course, everything works perfectly.
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My results with my regular nodes are quite different. I am still @ 26' before first node and down to 10 nodes and still do not function correctly at all. I cannot even get a RGBW cycle. My nodes are @ 8" spacing. I have some 4" spacing ones that I want to test before I start to shorten. Results to follow.
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@ 4" spacing 26' length I start having problems @ 24 nodes. Time to shorten to 20'.
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Happy to report a 15' length is working great with vixen. (100ct 1804 square rear entry nodes) Ramps well, takes programming, no flickering, nada... That is almost 300% longer than what I recall being posted as acceptable previously (6'). Works well with LSP too. That said, I am getting a pretty serious multicolor flicker with string white/all with rgb cycle in xlights. Not sure what the difference could be.
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All of my testing has been with Xlights. Now @ 20' can go up to 30 nodes @4" spacing without an issue for on\off. Above that have issues and have flicker with fades at those lengths. Mostly when fading to white.
I am getting horrible flicker with LSP as well.
Sam, are those the new IP68 square nodes?
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Yep > http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/100nodes-DC12V-input-WS2811-pixel-smart-node-IP68-rated/701799_739435981.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/100nodes-DC12V-input-WS2811-pixel-smart-node-IP68-rated/701799_739435981.html)
I didn't think 15' would work since 20' was so bad, but it does (except xlights full string white) Tempted to try 12' and see if it fixes it.
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That's what I thought. Was worried about the quality since you ordered them over the Chinese holiday! LOL
I am even getting flicker on fades with my flex strips @ 20 with Xlights and LSP. I am seeing almost no difference between the 2 programs. I don't use Vixen so it is not loaded on my machine.
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Happy to report a 15' length is working great with vixen. (100ct 1804 square rear entry nodes) Ramps well, takes programming, no flickering, nada... That is almost 300% longer than what I recall being posted as acceptable previously (6'). Works well with LSP too. That said, I am getting a pretty serious multicolor flicker with string white/all with rgb cycle in xlights. Not sure what the difference could be.
Sorry to jump in here ... I am finding this thread fascinating.
I just wanted to get it clear in my head where the 15' length is. Is it between the hub and SSC? Or between the SSC and first node?
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SSC and 1st node.
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Has anybody tried putting a 10 or 20 or maybe even a 100 ufd capacitor across the 12Volts at about the 10th node? Leds Switch fast, maybe the cap would settle down any noise on the 12v line. Flexstrips regenerate the data signal each node. So, if there is a problem further down the string, the 12V is suspect.
Rick S
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SSC and 1st node.
That was the answer I was hoping for ... thanks!
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Ok I need to know if the SSC V4 is ready to push out to the members. We have a coop manger that has been standing by to run the coop once we were ready.
So what is the thoughts on this yes or no.
RJ
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I would like to know the distance between the SSC and the first node that people were originally testing with that had absolutely NO problems with flicker or "all on" white as described above. If it were in the 6-8 foot range I would think it was good enough for the COOP. But I still would like to find out the max range you could go without problems as it would be more important for the future ZEUS controller COOP. Apparently it is less than 15 feet as it looks now from the testing above. And apparently the distance can be greater for flex strips than nodes which I find interesting because I thought the first RGB node regenerated the signal and so on.
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I would like to know the distance between the SSC and the first node that people were originally testing with that had absolutely NO problems with flicker or "all on" white as described above. If it were in the 6-8 foot range I would think it was good enough for the COOP. But I still would like to find out the max range you could go without problems as it would be more important for the future ZEUS controller COOP. Apparently it is less than 15 feet as it looks now from the testing above. And apparently the distance can be greater for flex strips than nodes which I find interesting because I thought the first RGB node regenerated the signal and so on.
I am on it. Fatherly business is closed and blinky shop now open. ;D
12' on deck.
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YES
Everything is working here. I don't see any reason not to go ahead with the coop.
Rick
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I say yes, it is good to go. No problems with the hardware at all, and software issues seem to be resolved.
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I'd say its ready now, I can't find anything so far.
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RJ I say yes go for it. I think it is ready!
BTW I did not get a chance to do any testing tonight!
The only node that I have not tested are the rectangles which I can easily. I do not have any solid metal strips.
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I would like to know the distance between the SSC and the first node that people were originally testing with that had absolutely NO problems with flicker or "all on" white as described above. If it were in the 6-8 foot range I would think it was good enough for the COOP. But I still would like to find out the max range you could go without problems as it would be more important for the future ZEUS controller COOP. Apparently it is less than 15 feet as it looks now from the testing above. And apparently the distance can be greater for flex strips than nodes which I find interesting because I thought the first RGB node regenerated the signal and so on.
My original set up is\was 3'. The node regenerates the signal, but not the voltage. That is why I had more of a problem with my 8" spacing nodes then I did my 4" spacing nodes.
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12' from SSCv4 to first node, hybrid mode no nulls 1 group, tested red from 0-255, green 0-255, blue 0-255, white 0-255, another test for individual nodes for rgb;
Xlights: CHECK (no issue with all white)
Vixen: CHECK
LSP: CHECK
I think 12' is absolutely rock solid. I hooked up a v3.1 SSC to the string it just locked up instantly, so the v4 is a definite improvement in terms of distance to first node.
With regard to a COOP, I wanted to test this before I gave my blessing. Here is a video of a simple sequence in LSP using one of my window frames made of flex strips comparing SSCv3.1 and the new v4. Because of the node count the frame uses 2 SSC and for the purposes of the test I programmed both to the same start channel. Bottom and left are v3.1, top and right are v4. I see absolutely no issues whatsoever or difference between the two, and I think that's a good thing. I should point out that I tested using a pixelnet dongle and blinky actually performs better with an etherdongle... https://vimeo.com/64858453 (https://vimeo.com/64858453)
I consider the SSCv4 COOP ready.
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Coop Manger has been waiting long enough
YES, the SSC v4 is ready to go. (of course my YES expires as soon as the coops ends and folks start building them LOL)
Rick R.
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Yes
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Coop Manger has been waiting long enough
YES, the SSC v4 is ready to go. (of course my YES expires as soon as the coops ends and folks start building them LOL)
Rick R.
Can I add this to the disclaimer on the opening coop page? ;D
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I'm sorry to jump in on this, and you guys are fantastic. I've been following this thru, and I'm just wondering will this firmware work on v3 ssc (modified v2) ?
Sorry if this is not the place for this question,
animal
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Don't hold up the coop for this, but just curious... what happens if someone builds this with the capacitors reversed? Since they look the same, you know someone is going to do it accidentally. Just wondering what happens when they do.
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<la..
Rick,
If your are building the manual I would really em phisize the placement of the capacitors since they look almost identical. Just my fraction of a penny input. :D
Roger
Don't hold up the coop for this, but just curious... what happens if someone builds this with the capacitors reversed? Since they look the same, you know someone is going to do it accidentally. Just wondering what happens when they do.
Beat me to it.
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I think you guys mean the voltage regulators?: black half cylinder things-me-bobs. I can just barely read part #s and the orientation for the pcb. That said, the tiny caps are practically identical and I couldn't tell either of them apart for the life of me if they weren't in a mouser bag. But hey, I managed to build it and it didn't catch fire or even smoke...
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I think you guys mean the voltage regulators?: black half cylinder things-me-bobs. I can just barely read part #s and the orientation for the pcb. That said, the tiny caps are practically identical and I couldn't tell either of them apart for the life of me if they weren't in a mouser bag. But hey, I managed to build it and it didn't catch fire or even smoke...
Both the capacitors (tiny tanish things) and voltage regulators (black half cylinders) have more than 1 that look alike, but are different. We have great coop managers here, and I am confident they won't put all those parts in the same bag (unless they just are having a bad day and want to take it out on everyone). But I can see a newbie or an oldie with a brian fart dumping out all the parts and getting them mixed up together. If those do get mixed up, it will be nearly impossible to tell from a photo that they aren't in the right place. So just trying to anticipate helping out those who get them switched around by knowing what would happen if they do.
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I think you guys mean the voltage regulators?: black half cylinder things-me-bobs. I can just barely read part #s and the orientation for the pcb. That said, the tiny caps are practically identical and I couldn't tell either of them apart for the life of me if they weren't in a mouser bag. But hey, I managed to build it and it didn't catch fire or even smoke...
No we are talking
http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=SA102A100JARvirtualkey58110000virtualkey581-SA102A100JAR (http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=SA102A100JARvirtualkey58110000virtualkey581-SA102A100JAR)
http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=SA115C104KARvirtualkey58110000virtualkey581-SA115C104KAR (http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=SA115C104KARvirtualkey58110000virtualkey581-SA115C104KAR)
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I will plan on putting these in a seperate bag with a little note inside that indicates a reminder where they go. That should help 75% of us ( me included ) that get excited and dump out all parts in pile.
Now back to our regularly scehduled broadcast....................
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I will plan on putting these in a seperate bag with a little note inside that indicates a reminder where they go. That should help 75% of us ( me included ) that get excited and dump out all parts in pile.
Now back to our regularly scehduled broadcast....................
Will mine be ready by next weekend? ;) >:D
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:o Yes Iwill bring with me to clap. Just the bag and note right???
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I guess nobody remembers Transistors :)
Oh well, I guess I am old and built lots of analog devices back in the day
Rick R.
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Vacuum tubes anyone?
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Nah. That tube stuff is worthless...
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I wouldn't say vacuum tubes are worthless. A pair of WE 300B tubes go for way over $1000. But they are temporarily not being built. I have a client who owns the manufacturing rights, but the plant has been shut down for awhile. There is an order backlog of several thousand pieces, mostly to go overseas. The space in a new building has been allocated and cleared, but room construction still has not started nor any rebuilding of the machinery.
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We digress from the ssc topic, but in pro audio tubes are still a big thing. There are a few companies left that still make the more popular tube varieties. A good12ax7 will set you back about $15.
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Ok enough with the tube talk. That should be another thread.
RJ
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I have found that the addition of a 12ax7 in the 12v power section really warms up the color... >:D
Sorry RJ, 'twas the end of a long week.
In all seriousness, can someone confirm my suspicion that using V4 firmware on previous version SSC's is potentially damaging? I think animal raises a good question. If it can be used, I would be happy to test this.
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No they are totally different, even the pic is a different model. The firmware is only usable on the V4 pcb.
RJ
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No they are totally different, even the pic is a different model. The firmware is only usable on the V4 pcb.
RJ
Thanks Rj.
Animal
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I wonder if the large number SSC requests in the COOP is due to folks converting older SSC's to the new v4? I plan to grab a few new ones, but plan to keep my modded v3.1 in service. Plus, I am sitting on 24 v2 pcbs...
Great idea to add 3 core connector to coop, genius!
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Planning on replacing mine.
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2,500 SSC's with 128 nodes each is a total of 320,000 nodes or 960,000 channels :o
If COOP went to 2,605 SSC's, they could effectively control over 1 million channels... 8)
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2,500 SSC's with 128 nodes each is a total of 320,000 nodes or 960,000 channels :o
If COOP went to 2,605 SSC's, they could effectively control over 1 million channels... 8)
All this math makes my head hurt!! <yk..
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2,500 SSC's with 128 nodes each is a total of 320,000 nodes or 960,000 channels :o
If COOP went to 2,605 SSC's, they could effectively control over 1 million channels... 8)
All this math makes my head hurt!! <yk..
Ya Zwiller does not have a life either!! ;) >:D
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I wonder how many SSCs are already out there?
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I wonder how many SSCs are already out there?
At this point before this coop it was just over 7000 with the coops and ones I mailed out form the store. So it will be getting close to 10,000 at the rate the coop is going plus the people that always order a bunch of pcbs right after the coops.
RJ
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Revised figures ;D
10,000 SSC's @ 128 per = 1,280,000 nodes = 3,840,000 channels
OR another way of looking at it:
1,280,000 nodes @ $0.40 per node = $512,000.00
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Ray Wu must be happy...
/mike
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Revised figures ;D
10,000 SSC's @ 128 per = 1,280,000 nodes = 3,840,000 channels
OR another way of looking at it:
1,280,000 nodes @ $0.40 per node = $512,000.00
bare minimums...
10,000 SSC's @ 1 per = 10,000 nodes = 30,000 channels
10,000 nodes @ $0.40 per node = $4,000.00
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Shouldn't you guys be calculating how much cheaper each V4 controllers will be since there are 2,250 being purchased instead of 250??? Jeez ;D
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And at 5000 units they become free. At 7500 they start paying you for helping them clear inventory. But that just a rumor ;D
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Please DON"T put prices up for a active Coop
ONLY the Coop Manager can do that. It can cause confusion and problems for people unfamiliar with the coop process and the manager.
Rick R.
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Sorry Rick. Good point.
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I removed some post from this thread,
We have ask on a number of times that people do not post estimated coop pricing as it has lead to issues in the past. They are never correct as the people forget that the cost has to include the shipping to the coop manager of the large quanitity of parts divided and the paypal fee that paypal will charge plus coop fee and packing supplies that can be costly. Like the static foam at $45 a sheet, Static bags, plastic bags,shipping supplies labels etc.
So members that do not know better go order based on the amount and then get upset it was more when the time comes to pay. So they drop out mad and leave the coop manager hanging.
The coop managers themselves do not know what it will be until the coop is done they have the total quanitities and get pcb quotes on the larger amount. Then they still have to try and come up with an estimate of the shipping.
This is why we post a minimum amount on the coop with the cost at that quanitity. We will not be more than that it will only go down. This way the person can decide based on a number they can be sure of not being more. If the coop does not get enough to meet that then it will not run and so the issue is resolved.
Btw.. most people assume everythign is cheaper in larger quanity but the truth is shipping sometimes goes up per order at a point when it gets large enough. not alot normally, and it still comes out cheaper for the items on coop overall because we save a lot on the bulk price of parts.
RJ
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I am concered that some newbies don't understand what they are ordering. I noticed a few entries that are for one of the 2 pigtails only with no ssc's. And some ssc's without pigtails which make it so much easier to do quick substitutions for troubleshooting problems especially if your display is already set up.
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I am concered that some newbies don't understand what they are ordering. I noticed a few entries that are for one of the 2 pigtails only with no ssc's. And some ssc's without pigtails which make it so much easier to do quick substitutions for troubleshooting problems especially if your display is already set up.
I would not make any assumptions. In the past I have ordered surplus pigtails both from the store and from Ray Wu. I have quite a few left over and I will be ordering more lights so if I need more then I can order the connection pigtails from Ray as I have in the past. I have also made a number of SSCs (that came with pigtails in the coop) by making my own ethernet connection that are soldered to the SSC and have a long cable goes directly into the case holding the active hub so I did not need the short ethernet pigtail that came in the coop.