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Hardware => Lynx Express => Topic started by: salongaopm on November 29, 2011,

Title: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: salongaopm on November 29, 2011,
I have one LE that is having a problem. There are times that one or couple of strings that is/are connected to a single channel doesn't light up. This happens randomly to all channels. When I put the LE to test mode...it did okay.. Any input will be geatly appreciated.

Thanks!
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: RJ on November 29, 2011,
Does the channel led light up when you think they should be on? If not the express does not think it should have them on so it can be communications issues or miss config on channels / seqencing. If it does then we have a hardware issue on the opto/triac.

RJ
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: salongaopm on November 29, 2011,
I am at work right now, but I think the channel led light up...I will have to check it again tomorrow.
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: jnealand on November 29, 2011,
I have a V4 LE with one channel that does not go off.  The LED on the express board is not lit, but the single incan string connected to that channel just stays on.  I intend to swap to a V5 LE that is sitting in the house, but not until after things dry out after two days of rain.  This string is on one of my mini trees and although noticeable, is not a major issue in my non show.  I'm just doing color change cycles at the moment and letting them run for a couple of hours while I try to update last years sequences to include some Smart strings.  Sounds like I should try an octo swap also.
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: salongaopm on November 30, 2011,
After closer observation, I noticed that the channel led doesn't light up when they should. That is the time that the some strings of lights connected to that particular channel does not light up. I already tried repositioning the LE, unplug and replug the wireless receiver, still no change. If it is a misconfig on channels/sequencing, how can I fix it?

Thanks!
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: thestig on November 30, 2011,
Does the LED light up when putting the LE in test mode? if it does then it is definitely a data/sequencing error.
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: salongaopm on November 30, 2011,
the led channels lights up In test mode.  So, how do I fix the  data/sequencing error?
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: salongaopm on November 30, 2011,
I was able to identified another LE with the same problem. I did my sequencing using a different computer than my show computer with vixen files copied to an external/usb drive. Could that have caused the problems? Any help will be greatly appreciated.

thanks!

Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: salongaopm on December 01, 2011,
anyone?
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: salongaopm on December 01, 2011,
bump
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: salongaopm on December 01, 2011,
I changed the LE unit...still the same problem. I turned off my wifi...same problem. I created another sequence by copying from the sequence that I am currently using...still the same problem. Does anyone have an idea on how to fix this problem? Did I post in the wrong thread that's why I am not getting any answer? If so, Mod, please move these in the right thread.

Again, anyone...please help! :'( :'(
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: caretaker on December 01, 2011,
Some things to check:  Look under your profile in Vixen and make sure that the controller your are having issues with is set up properly IE: right starting channel and number of channels.  If that is correct try creating a test sequence using just the channels of that controller lighting each channel one at a time and see what happens. If neither of those works then repost here with more info IE: what version of Vixen etc. and I am sure someone will be able to help you more.
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: salongaopm on December 01, 2011,
I will try that and report back later.

thanks!
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: jnealand on December 01, 2011,
I never turn off my computer until after New Years Day and I am starting to tear down the show.  Of course we don't turn any of the computers in the house off unless we are going out of town and even then I still leave one on for remote access.
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: salongaopm on December 02, 2011,
I checked all the LE units and they are all set up with the right starting channel number. I created a test sequence and lighted up each channel for 5 seconds and they all lighted up when they should. Does it mean that all the sequences that I am using now are bad? Do I need to redo all of them? I recopied one sequence using the Copy sequence event data under Tools and it showed the same problems. Do I need to create a sequence from the scratch? I will try to do cut and paste...hopefully it will work ok. I will report back the result later.

I am using vixen 2.1.1. I have the LE v5 newly built from the first and third coop this year.
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: salongaopm on December 02, 2011,
I copied one sequence using the cut and paste method...it is showing the same symptoms. Some string connected to a channel still does not light up when they should.
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: salongaopm on December 02, 2011,
It looks like at least 3 and possibly four LE's are affected. These are the newly built v5 LE's. I will check in the morning to make sure that I soldered the right parts to the right place.
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: rm357 on December 02, 2011,
The wireless is limited to 50ms timings. If you have faster intervals, it can be erratic.

Rm
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: salongaopm on December 02, 2011,
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The wireless is limited to 50ms timings. If you have faster intervals, it can be erratic.

Rm

it is at 50ms right now.
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: dlhoppe on December 02, 2011,
Did you get in on the DMX Tester coop? This kind of problem is one of the reasons that device was created. It would be a very useful tool to help you debug and find out where the problem is (LE, communications, computer/vixen, etc). If you didn't get in on this coop, make sure you get in on the next one.

If I had a second one built, I'd loan it to you. I do have a few extra PCBs if you want to build one (if you weren't in on the coop).


Dave
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: salongaopm on December 02, 2011,
I'll look into that...it seems very useful. I will send you a pm when I decide to build one.
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: lineman on December 02, 2011,
I have found that if you copy and paste from 1 seq. to another that has diffeerent MS things seem to go whacky make sure your MS are the same in both Seq. example 50 ms originals seq. copy to 50 ms seq.
I had some originals at 10 ms and when I made the new seq. I put in 50 ms and things were whacky, what I did was change the original to 50 ms and then copy and paste it over to the new seq. Hope this helps
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: salongaopm on December 02, 2011,
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I have found that if you copy and paste from 1 seq. to another that has diffeerent MS things seem to go whacky make sure your MS are the same in both Seq. example 50 ms originals seq. copy to 50 ms seq.
I had some originals at 10 ms and when I made the new seq. I put in 50 ms and things were whacky, what I did was change the original to 50 ms and then copy and paste it over to the new seq. Hope this helps

yes.. I did made sure of that, but, still the same result
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: salongaopm on December 04, 2011,
I did some testing the other night and noticed some interesting/puzzling results:

1. I replaced the pic on one of the affected LE(from unassembled LE kit)...did not fix the problem.
2. When I hooked one affected LE directly to the dongle using cat 5 cable and run a test sequence, some channels that are not supposed to light up came on, including some channels from an LE that is not attached to the dongle at all but only sharing the same ac outlet.

3. When I moved one affected LE to a different outlet, away from other 2 LE's that are showing some similar problems, the problems seems to be lesser.

4. The only affected LE's are the newly built four LE's. Other v5 LE's from last year doesn't show any problem at all.

Do I need to reflash the pic?
Do I have a short or something?

ANy help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: caretaker on December 04, 2011,
You may be getting line noise from the outlet in question, if you find another outlet to plug the problem LE's in do so and see if the results differ. If they do than either pick up a decent surge suppressor that also filters out line noise OR figure what else is on the circuit that could be causing it.  Otherwise some of the more techincal guys will have to jump in on this one.
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: salongaopm on December 04, 2011,
I did move one LE to another outlet, but it did not fix the problem completely. Although it is not  as bad as before. Also, why only the new LE's are affected? I   have last year LE's plugged in to the same outlet...and they are working without  a problem.
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: caretaker on December 04, 2011,
That could be the problem in that you may be dropping the voltage enough when the sequences run to cause erratic behavior in your new controllers. Are all the new controllers plugged into the same extension cord? Are the new controllers further from the outlet than the older controllers?  Definitely something weird going on here but I am sure a solution will be found for you.
Title: Re: some strings of led lights connected to a single channel doesn't light up
Post by: salongaopm on December 04, 2011,
1. One new LE using an extension cord plugged into an outlet. Another old LE is also plugged into the same outlet but using a separate extension cord.

2. Two controllers (one new and one old) are using one extension cord and plugged into a separate outlet and a different breaker than #1.

3. One old LE is using a separate extension cord and plugged into an outlet where #2 is.

4. Another old LE is plugged into a an outlet with a separate breaker from 1&2 but sharing one electrical box with number 2&3.

5. One new and one old LE are plugged into a separte outlet (10-20+ft away from 1,2,3,4) with a separate breaker than 1-4.

6. Two old LE's are sharing same extension cord and plugged into a separate outlet but sharing the same breaker as #
#1 is. Probably 15ft away from #5 and more from #2,3&4.

All old LE's are working without any problem.
All 3 new LE's are having problems.

It is really weird.