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Software => Light Show Pro => Topic started by: mykroft on August 13, 2011,
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Just read this over at LSP website - 8/13/11:
http://www.lightshowpro.com/showthread.php?1792-Release-date-LSP-2&p=9966#post9966 (http://www.lightshowpro.com/showthread.php?1792-Release-date-LSP-2&p=9966#post9966)
Hi,
last minute testing, documentation, marketing, licensing, sales, hosting ...it will be released tomorrow sometime at latest.
Myk
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LSP 2.0 is available now!
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It's here!!! <;d It's here!!! <;d It's here!!! <;d
[Runs downstairs, tears into wrapping paper, eyes as big as saucers...]
Well, OK - at least over to the LSP site to see if there is any server bandwidth left for a download!
edit - OK, that was not a bad download at 1100KB/sec.
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I was going to purchase v2 until I saw that it was $249 if you have more than 512 channels. That's only 170 RGB nodes.
Unless it will cut my sequencing time in half and is easier to use than the previous version, I will stick with Vixen.
Just my opinion.
John
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If you have version 1.8 the upgrade is only $50 for 8192 channels. This is more than enough for me at least. I do think it is an interesting marketing strategy how there are three versions of 2.0. I was hoping to get a free upgrade, but the way they did this if you want to use more than DMX @ 512 then you must get the intermediate version or higher.
That's the way the Christmas cookie crumbles!
Greg
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I think that if you purchased V1.8 within the last 12 month you will get a free upgrade to the Advanced edition (8192 channels). The $49 price applies to existing LSP users who purchased longer than 12 months ago! An email has been sent out to existing users. That my understanding anyway!
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I purchased in beginning of July and used that key and got to 32767 channel $399 version of 2.0
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here is a copy of email that I got today
Good Morning,
Christmas came early this year with the just-released LightShow Pro v2!
We hope you're as excited as us because this version represents a milestone in the LightShow Pro software!
Among the thousands of enhancements are a few you may like are:
- Complete optimization of the sequencing engine!
- Full Undo/Redo of effects, timings and Transitions!
- Multi-threaded optimization engine for fast performance!
- Re-engineered User library design!
- Mega-tree wizard, enhanced multi-level transitions!
- Support for up to 32767 channel displays!
- The best RGB tools and dynamic live sequencing experience!
- interactive editing with live copy/cut and selection transforms!
- Extensive tooltips and documentation to get you going fast!
If you’ve purchased LightShow Pro in the last year, you will receive your new license within 24 hrs. but if not, were offering an awesome upgrade price for the advanced version for just $49!! (a $249 value!) (http://www.lightshowpro.com/images/upgrade-btn.jpg) (http://www.lightshowpro.com/content.php?120) You can download the LightShow Advanced v2 - Promo Upgrade installation file Here! (http://www.lightshowpro.com/updates/LightShowPro_v2_0_11225_2000.exe)
A lot of hard work has gone into making LightShow Advanced v2 - Promo Upgrade a high quality product with a featureset that stands out
against the competition. We also take pride of the exceptional customer service that we provide! If there is
anything we can do to assist you with your light show needs or require support getting up to speed with the
application please let us know by sending an email to support@lightshowpro.com or simply visiting
http://support.lightshowpro.com .
There is a great community (http://www.lightshowpro.com/content.php) of advanced LightShow Pro users, they have done just about anything you can
imagine! Be sure to join them in the LightShow Pro Forums (http://www.lightshowpro.com/forum) or Chat Room (http://www.lightshowpro.com/chat/flashchat.html) to discuss the latest technology
and future of automated light shows!
Please be sure to explore the www.lightshowpro.com (http://www.lightshowpro.com/content.php) site and download a few sample sequences (http://www.lightshowpro.com/downloads.php?do=cat&id=1) or
holiday music (http://www.lightshowpro.com/downloads.php?do=cat&id=2) to inspire you! Be sure to check out the Tips-And-Tips forums (http://www.lightshowpro.com/forumdisplay.php?23-Tips-and-Tricks) to learn a lot great short-cuts
or just watch tutorials (http://www.lightshowpro.com/content.php?165-Tutorials).
(http://www.lightshowpro.com/images/lsp2logo_c_box_email.png)
Sincerely,
David Johnson
GraphxPros
Makers of LightShow Pro
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so far it has not been successful in converting any of my simple media sequences :(
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Now I wished I hadn't waited and bought 1.8. Now I will end up having to pay $249 instead of $99.
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I bought 1.8 in January and never got that email.
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I think that if you purchased V1.8 within the last 12 month you will get a free upgrade to the Advanced edition (8192 channels). The $49 price applies to existing LSP users who purchased longer than 12 months ago! An email has been sent out to existing users. That my understanding anyway!
yea i got the email but is that mean i have to pay only 49 $ or $99 for the new key has its been more than 12 month + the 49 $ ... i am kind of confuse
thanks
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IF you purchased v1.8 MORE than 12 months ago then you can upgrade to the Advanced edition of V2 for $49 - that allows up to 8192 channels.
IF you purchased v1.8 LESS than 12 months ago then you will get a FREE upgrade to the Advanced edition.
There will also be an upgrade path for those existing users who want to upgrade to the PRO edition.
I would suggest anyone interested go to LSP's home page and follow the appropriate links. (no use duplicating information already found over at LSP)
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I think that price pushes it way outside of most in the DIY community. I personally think changing the price due to channel count is ripping off the users. If you want to charge different prices, then charge for advanced features like the mega-tree wizzard or sequence mapping. I can see why they have plenty of bandwith available for downloads with pricing like this. I am really looking foward to Vixen 3.0 now. Now I really wonder which version they are giving away for that survey entry.
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Email? ??? ??
I too did not get an email and purchased 1.8 in January 2011.
I was looking for better software being disappointed with LOR's high priced limited & proprietary DMX. I've been holding off programing with the plan to wait until LSP 2.0 was released. Anxious to get started I just viewed the LSP web site.
WOW what a disappointment!!! :(
I can upgrade to the Advanced edition, but it will not handle the channel count that I have planned for this year.
I think I will just use Vixen or maybe see what LOR 3.0 or Vixen 3.0 has to offer. Hopefully LOR will not do what LSP has done and price their software by channel count.
I too think that it is too pricey for most of the DIY community. I know that a lot of work has gone into the new version of LSP and one must be compensated for their work - I respect that. Also the software has a limited market that causes the price to jump.
My feelings are that of mad and disappointment - It would have been nice to know prior to the release that the software was going to be sold by channel count and the upgrade would not cover what most of us expected it would. I for one would have just gone with Vixen and not waited.
Pete
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I have had much heartburn over the LSP since trying to make the pixelnet stuff work with v1.8. Back and forth with LSP and the pixelnet plugin versions. It never did work. However, I received the e-mail also and downloaded V2.0. I was surprised to have received the Advanced upgrade FREE. This morning I was expecting to pay $50 and was thinking it would be worth it for me to get the pixelnet to work after all the problems I had. Guess I not the Loneranger here. Now I do not know my total channels count, but I tried one of my sequences that is above 512 channels and so far so good. Like I said previously 8142 is plenty for my use at this point. We'll see how this all turns out once I get some of my more intensive sequences running. By far this is much better than v1.8. I actually got the pixelnet to work the first time.
Yeah! :)
Greg
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I don't really think LSP 2.0 and Vixen 3.x are going to be in the same ballpark in terms of features and capabilities. At least not in 2011. THat said, I'm still very excited to see what Vixen 3.0 can do!
I participated in the LSP 2.0 beta testing and was really enjoying it by the end. David worked his tail off fixing everything we could find and then some. It truly is powerful and capable. You will not find anything else which can talk to all the hardware and protocols like it can. Learning it requires a lot of time and patience. I still don't understand a lot of what it can do with it, buts its been fun discovering that. I find myself being productive with it and not fighting or complaining about it constantly. I'm sure there are bugs left, probably quite a few ... but the really big annoying ones seem fixed for the most part. The amount of good far exceeds the bad at this point. The underlying performance issues from 1.8 seem fixed. I even pushed to get the chase to operate in a better way and to operate on virtual controllers or layers and that is extremely powerful now. You can do everything you can do in S3 and probably then some. It's probably quite a bit more advanced than even S3 w/superstar, esp. when it comes to RGB object oriented programming.
I bought LSP 1.8 and found it basically unusable and extremely frustrating, slow and unreliable. LSP 2.0 has made some very nice improvements ... and (LSP) David is trying to make a living, pay the bills, seriously. I think some of the LSP 2.0 pricing decisions are basically required to keep it alive and viable ... and its features and capabilities are comparable to Madrix and SuperStar Lights ... but better than both.
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I feel exactly the same way.
While I was also surprised to see the pricing structure, in the end the business owner has a lot of challenging choices and he always knows there will be a subset of customers or possible customers that will be unhappy with his choices.
Do I think having one version with unlimited channels for say $149 would work better? Sure! But it is not mine to make. He has worked hard on whats important and since he is in business he must have a income that makes sense.
Only a few of us are stupid enough to work that hard for nothing.
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RJ
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I'm certainly not a power user (YET:-))... BUT I have been playing with LSP since the inception (was one of the first people to get a license)... I found the instability an issue, so I have always used LOR...
So far, I find LSP 2.0 stable (at least it hasn't crashed on me yet :-))... and this version WAS able to import my most complicated LOR sequence (336 channels... where V.1.8 couldn't)... the only issue I found was that it didn't import the ramp twinkle/shimmers correctly... I can deal with that...
Although I don't find it as easy to use as LOR, i need it for the RGB capability...
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I've been playing around with it for the most part of the day, and I have found that it runs better than it did before, at least for me it does. And I have imported a couple LOR sequences, ranging from simple little 48 channel sequences to larger 184 channel sequences that are really complicated, and it worked perfectly. I'm tempted to import a couple sequence I did for someone who has over 3000 LOR channels...but we'll see where the software takes me before I do anything like that :D
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Guess his website crashed from the upgrades. :(
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Hmmm,
I wonder if his ISP shut down his site due to unusually high bandwith usage...
<pop..
I guess I'll have to wait for the download.
RM
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The site is back up.
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Didn't have to wait long <;d
Now, do i stay up all night and call in sick tomorrow or sack out so i can go to work...
Since work supports blinky, new toy will have to wait :'(
RM
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Didn't have to wait long <;d
Now, do i stay up all night and call in sick tomorrow or sack out so i can go to work...
Since work supports blinky, new toy will have to wait :'(
RM
DUHHHHH
of course Call out! <;d
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I purchased in beginning of July and used that key and got to 32767 channel $399 version of 2.0
This was caused by an error in the licensing system. What you have is not a legitimate copy of the PRO edition! If you are having trouble with your legitmate upgrade key please PM David (admin) over at LSP. I am sure he will be happy to straighten out your license problems. If you really need the PRO version, please purchase a legal copy. After all, we all want LSP to be around and continue to grow! Besides, the next time you download an update - the old key will no longer work anyway!
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Only a few of us are stupid enough to work that hard for nothing.
RJ
I might say 'generous' enough...
That may be one thing which may make the pricing a little tougher to swallow...I think we get pretty spoiled on here with the amount of work you and your minions put in for virtually free (if not actually free)...not only to get items out to the community, but actually drive the prices down even further and provide free tech support on top of that.
Can't say 'thanks' enough for that.
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I think we get pretty spoiled on here with the amount of work you and your minions put in for virtually free (if not actually free)
I just pictured RJ with all the Despicable Me Minions in his Laboratory creating electronic devices to take control of the world.... of Christmas Lights.
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so thats how he gets so much done. <la..
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The original version that most of us purchased was Professional Edition which was unlimited channels. with a 12 months upgrade. See here:
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0kotNwjFbRQJ:www.lightshowpro.com/content.php%3F120+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=firefox-a&source=encrypted.google.com
Note that it shows
Remove the channel limit and command output.
and
***Purchasing LightShow Pro 1.8 will entitle you to all upgrades within one year from purchase.***
check your receipt you received it will show Professional Edition.
He also has stated in several threads that the software is not limited to universes or channels.
if you feel that you are entitled to a full upgrade please contact David@LSP
Wombat
<edit> Issue is resolved now with david supplying Pro version to me however I no longer have support by him <md..
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I do not mind people speaking their mind about an issue but this is not a respectful post and does not follow with our rules about respecting those we disagree with. Lets keep things nice as it has always been on DLA. I understand your aggraviated and am not concern over your posting, it is the words used that I have issue with, it needs to be scale down a little to keep it professional. I am sorry you do not feel you are being treated fairly. I hope you can find a resolution that will work for you.
RJ
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I don't have a problem with the pricing structure as it is. Programming takes alot of time, and he can't do that totally for free. We spend thousands and thousands on hardware, and quibble over the compensation he is asking for, to make it work easier. To do the stuff with Vixen that his software is going to be able to do easily would take you hours and hours of sequencing, so I feel it is justified to pay him for his time to save me my time in sequencing. We haven't seen any prices for LOR S3 yet, so can't compare something really equivalent to what LSP is capable of, but look at the pricing structure for MADRIX, and its channel count, LSP is a bargain.
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Holy Cow !!
The more I play w/V.2.0, the more impressed I am...
Been playing with it since it came out a few days ago (was one of the original V.1 purchasers)... gladly paid the upgrade fee for the Advanced level... the Advanced level will be more than adequate for the static & RGB channels I'm using this year (less than 2500)...
Hasn't locked-up once... much faster and MUCH more stable...
Being able to 'spiral' the mega tree just using RGB pixels is amazingly simple... and the mega tree RGB transitions are great !
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I have said some stuff on here and on LSP in which I felt passionate about. Enough to risk being banned from LSP which I have been :(
I have now been given my money back and a free version of LightShowPro Professional Edition by David.
I have however Refunded this money back to LSP as I believe that all that I was entitled to was a Free version of Professional Version of Light Show Pro V2 edition and he is running a business.
I hope that I have not lost too much respect from you guys.
Regards
Wombat
Sent to:
David Johnson
Email:
sales@lightshowpro.com
Total amount:
-$99.00 USD
Fee amount:
$3.67 USD
Net amount:
-$95.33 USD
Date:
18 Aug 2011
Time:
07:57:43 AEST
Status:
Completed
Subject:
You have sent $95.33 USD to David Johnson with PayPal
Note:
Hi David, Thank you for the refund However I cannot accept. I believe that you have a Business to run and feel that the free upgrade to Pro Edition all that I was entitled to. I hope that we can still do business in the future and wish you well. Thank you
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I did not delete your post?
Is it gone?
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RJ
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Hi Wombat
nobody deleted your post, its still there #29 bottom of page two
Rick R.
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Oh sorry RJ I didn't read your post correctly my apologies.
I will go and edit the post now
Regards
Wombat
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I hope that I have not lost too much respect from you guys.
Regards
Wombat
Nothing lost here. Regardless if others thought it was worth the money, was a good deal, or otherwise, in my opinion you had a point. The business offered you something, and you had some rational to support the fact that wasn't what was delivered. Now perhaps the response to champion your position went overboard, but in the end, you behaved respectfully, in accepting only what you understood was offered in the first place.
In the end, enjoy!
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Agreed that was my point also.
RJ
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I don't have a problem with the pricing structure as it is. Programming takes alot of time, and he can't do that totally for free. We spend thousands and thousands on hardware, and quibble over the compensation he is asking for, to make it work easier. To do the stuff with Vixen that his software is going to be able to do easily would take you hours and hours of sequencing, so I feel it is justified to pay him for his time to save me my time in sequencing. We haven't seen any prices for LOR S3 yet, so can't compare something really equivalent to what LSP is capable of, but look at the pricing structure for MADRIX, and its channel count, LSP is a bargain.
I feel you are spot on. The development of this "class" of sequencing software is a very large undertaking.
I too would also caution that if we nickel and dime someone that undertakes a large endevor such as this that we may find we won't have anything to sequence with that allows us to make full use of these wonderful new technologies. This is not a large market, this is a market (high channel count, pixel displays that LSP is now targeted at) that is today comprised of hundreds of people, not thousands and thousands. If you do a bit of math you start to see that you need to make more per seat to make this a worthwhile effort.
I would say that we need to look at software as an integral part of a display now, not as a secondary though as it will make or break a high-end pixel display. I completely believe that LSP is worth the money when you compare it to the "other" options on the market at this time (as Jeff mentions above.)
David
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It is these posts and talk of pixel this and pixel that, that has brought me to give up on LSP and pixels. I mean i am limited on budget and can not even afford the upgrade and he will not even support of fix the scheduler for 1.8. it has been very disappointing. I think you will all see that E.1.31 will not last long..
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It is these posts and talk of pixel this and pixel that, that has brought me to give up on LSP and pixels. I mean i am limited on budget and can not even afford the upgrade and he will not even support of fix the scheduler for 1.8. it has been very disappointing. I think you will all see that E.1.31 will not last long..
Joshua -
In 2010 I did 2,800 channels of which about 80% was RGB and a majority of that was pixels. In 2009 I had a "regular" ~150 channel display using 100% incandescent. You know what? People liked my 2009 display better. It wasn't that people didn't like the color or the high level of individual control offered by pixels, it was my poor 2010 sequencing and lack of good design. Why mention this? Because it is still VERY much possible to do some amazing shows with a few AC controllers and a bunch of cheap incandescent lights.
Just like an instrument - it's what the person using the instrument can do with it. Sprinkling a few thousand dollars in pixels in your display isn't going to instantly make it better and in fact, it could make it worst as my case was (in the opinion of a fair number of viewers of my display). It's what you DO with those, how you do your design, tell a story, convey a feeling or do your sequencing that will have a much greater effect.
I'd completely say you are right to give up on pixels - focus on doing what is in your budget. This won't be a fun hobby if you are stressed out about having spent too much money and focus on the "soft" factors instead.
And about that E131...I have to disagree with you there - it's nearly impossible to think large scale pixels (even larger than what is out now) without E131 - with no disrespect to PixelNet which I feel solves a different issue.
David
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It is these posts and talk of pixel this and pixel that, that has brought me to give up on LSP and pixels. I mean i am limited on budget and can not even afford the upgrade and he will not even support of fix the scheduler for 1.8. it has been very disappointing. I think you will all see that E.1.31 will not last long..
I know how you feel. I too have to deal with a limited budget.
But I never wanted to run tens of thousands of lights.
I started with LED strings and am trying this year to get into RGB. But instead of pixel strings I am adding the 5050s modules that I am getting from Harrison at www.cheapdmx.com. I am doing things like using an 8" RGB ball on top of my North Poles and RGD floods. This way I can get the most bang for my buck. It allows me to learn RGB and start to get into it a little at a time.
I bought LSP back when V1.8 was on sale. I have also spent about $200 on the modules with the programmers and transformers. But I bought it in three parts over the last year. This made it easier to swallow.
I look at it this way. Anyone can go out and buy a ton of lights. And I love this type of display. But I want mine to be different from anyone else's. I will have North Poles that are different from any I have seen anywhere. My star is different from any on this board. I just want to be unique.
Too me, part of the challenge (and the fun) is to build not only the best display I can, but to have one with things that you will not see anywhere else in town.
I guess I am weird. But I am proud of it!
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Too me, part of the challenge (and the fun) is to build not only the best display I can, but to have one with things that you will not see anywhere else in town.
We will let you be as different as you want to be (because we all know your different) but you and David make a few god points. RGB can only be what you put into it. Everyone should make there show how they want it. even if I had the exact same pieces that you do, my show will still be different because I put mine together and you did yours.
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OK, need some guidance from a LSP Pro :)
I have a smartstring controller that will have 60 rect modules (120 channels) that I am trying to design for a northstar....
What I would like to do, is split tho 60 modules into smaller groups - virtual controller?
Ex
Channels
1 - 10
11 - 16
17 - 24
25 - 30
21 - 40
41 - 46
47 - 54
55 - 60
so each leg can be indv controlled, and each module in the leg can be indv controlled as well
Is this possible, or am i trying to do this completely wrong?
Thanks
Myk
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ok, I think I have figured out the virtual controller thing - didnt know it would not show up until I linked channels to it, but as a virt controller type - it is limiting me to linking 8 channels to it.... I have 2 legs that need 10 - how do i get past 8?
Actually, it is linking the 10, but when I config the controller and go to the channels tab, there is where it is limited to listing just the 1st 8 and not all 10 of the linked channels....
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You might want to try layers instead or in addition to the VC.
I don't think layers are limited in number of channels allowed.
You add channels to the layer just as you would a VC. I think you can have both.
VC may someday go away or be replaced by layers completely.
I would like to see layers capable or ordinal sorting and sequencing with that sorted order.