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Hardware => Lynx Express => Topic started by: blearning on September 05, 2009,

Title: LED Display On Backorder
Post by: blearning on September 05, 2009,
Anybody try running the LE without the LED display.  I was just curius as they were on back order and wandered if we could just wait for the back order to come through and still use the LE.

or in other words is the LED display critical to the operation of the LE ...  Saving me running a test on it ..
Title: Re: LED Display On Backorder
Post by: wbuehler on September 05, 2009,
It is not critical but without the display it will make it hard to tell what channel it is on and how to put it in test and prg mode.
I have several segments that I will not be using I can send you some if you like.

Bill

Title: Re: LED Display On Backorder
Post by: blearning on September 05, 2009,
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It is not critical but without the display it will make it hard to tell what channel it is on and how to put it in test and prg mode.
I have several segments that I will not be using I can send you some if you like.

Bill



So I could build and test them with the ones I have and then when the back order came in I could just put them in then.

Thanks
Title: Re: LED Display On Backorder
Post by: KeithTarpley on September 05, 2009,
Greetings,,,

I'm sure we could find a few extra ones.  But you could set each one for the start channel and then move it's display to the next, until the back orders arrive.  Musical chairs....

Keith
Title: Re: LED Display On Backorder
Post by: RJ on September 05, 2009,
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Greetings,,,

I'm sure we could find a few extra ones.  But you could set each one for the start channel and then move it's display to the next, until the back orders arrive.  Musical chairs....

Keith


Or you bend the pins and can't use them anymore!  >:D

Hey I'm just saying those pins are easy to bend and sooner or later.

RJ
Title: Re: LED Display On Backorder
Post by: KeithTarpley on September 05, 2009,
Greetings,,,

Everyone knows you carefully place the led displays into comfortable carrier sockets, from a yet to be built LE.  You then move those comfort controlled sockets, with led displays, from LE to LE, thus avoiding led display bending.  Sockets are cheap.  Comedy's hard...

Keith
Title: Re: LED Display On Backorder
Post by: jnealand on September 05, 2009,
Or is there are alternate part or alternate vendor for these parts?

Jim

Modified to add the following.

There are other parts on backorder for the LE such as "Modular Jacks 8 PCB TOP ENTRY "  and "IC Sockets 8P ECONOMY TIN ".
The SSR4 has several parts on back orderl.  Plus the power adapters for the wireless transmitter and receiver are also on backorder.

Not being an electrical designer or specialist what alternates can be used or what alternate sources other than Mouser do you recommend?  I did see the post from Mark Shell about an alternate part for the IC sockets and if that is a good part we are only talking about 20 cents additional costs for the 10 that I need so that is a no brainer.  I'm not good enough at reading and understanding specs to pick something out myself.
Title: Re: LED Display On Backorder
Post by: RJ on September 05, 2009,
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Or is there are alternate part or alternate vendor for these parts?

Jim

I will look I have never had to sub them before.

RJ
Title: Re: LED Display On Backorder
Post by: blearning on September 05, 2009,
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Lite-On/LTS-4510AG/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvkC18yXH9iIi24uAbnI5ENPm3msWh4JJ4%3d

looks like a pretty close match Physically, a lot dimmer ....
Title: Re: LED Display On Backorder
Post by: jnealand on September 05, 2009,
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http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Lite-On/LTS-4510AG/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvkC18yXH9iIi24uAbnI5ENPm3msWh4JJ4%3d

looks like a pretty close match Physically, a lot dimmer ....

The price is about double, I wonder what makes it worth more money?
Title: Re: LED Display On Backorder
Post by: RJ on September 05, 2009,
604-SA43-11GWA
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Kingbright/SA43-11GWA/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvkC18yXH9iIgvC7dgeX7B5otuCiRUrWjY%3d
 looks to fit the bill. It is just a tiny bit bigger numbers. .03 " taller numbers so that is the only difference. It is about the same brightness as the other.  Just a little bit dimmer at what we run them.
 
There is over 1000 of them in stock.

RJ

Title: Re: LED Display On Backorder
Post by: blearning on September 05, 2009,
Now that is what I call quick service... we wont use presidential service as it was tainted a few years ago ...

Thanks RJ ... 

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604-SA43-11GWA
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Kingbright/SA43-11GWA/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvkC18yXH9iIgvC7dgeX7B5otuCiRUrWjY%3d
 looks to fit the bill. It is just a tiny bit bigger numbers. .03 " taller numbers so that is the only difference. It is about the same brightness as the other.  Just a little bit dimmer at what we run them.
 
There is over 1000 of them in stock.

RJ


Title: Re: LED Display On Backorder
Post by: wbuehler on September 05, 2009,
I have a part number for RED  ;D
Title: Re: LED Display On Backorder
Post by: wbuehler on September 05, 2009,
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Or is there are alternate part or alternate vendor for these parts?

Jim

Modified to add the following.

There are other parts on backorder for the LE such as "Modular Jacks 8 PCB TOP ENTRY "  and "IC Sockets 8P ECONOMY TIN ".
The SSR4 has several parts on back orderl.  Plus the power adapters for the wireless transmitter and receiver are also on backorder.

Not being an electrical designer or specialist what alternates can be used or what alternate sources other than Mouser do you recommend?  I did see the post from Mark Shell about an alternate part for the IC sockets and if that is a good part we are only talking about 20 cents additional costs for the 10 that I need so that is a no brainer.  I'm not good enough at reading and understanding specs to pick something out myself.

I have several of the power supply subs for the Transmitter and the Standalone Receiver.  I can send you some if you like.
The sub I used for Wall AC Transformer on the wireless parts Co-Op is:

412-106054

Title: Re: LED Display On Backorder
Post by: REM on September 06, 2009,
Should we start a list of backup part numbers at least for things which are commonly out of stock?
Title: Re: LED Display On Backorder
Post by: jnealand on September 06, 2009,
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Should we start a list of backup part numbers at least for things which are commonly out of stock?

That would be good for me.  While I bought complete kits thru co-ops I also bought some extra boards since one can never be sure of the timely availability of boards should I decide to expand.  Well, based on how well what I have is working, I want to expand and I am trying to get together a parts order for Mouser.  Do a single board type at a time is easy, but trying to combine board types in a single order is hard.  I've now built a spreadsheet where I can input the number and type of boards I want and it will tell me what to order, but I still do not know what to do about backordered items since I am not knowledge able about electrical designs and part characteristics.  However, I can solder and follow directions as evidenced by the all equipment I do have that work good.

I'm still having fun even without the B/O problems.

Jim
Kennesaw, GA
Title: Re: LED Display On Backorder
Post by: RJ on September 06, 2009,
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Should we start a list of backup part numbers at least for things which are commonly out of stock?

I would rather we didn't. While it seems a great idea for all of those people that have been around a while and understand everything it will be a point of confusion for all the new people as to ... Do I need this one, or this one?

I will be happy to help someone out if it is a big issue to wait for the correct part but the more mixes the more problems. Look at just what a revision change to the pic has caused me in the last 3 weeks.

RJ
Title: Re: LED Display On Backorder
Post by: jnealand on September 07, 2009,
I agree with RJ regarding programmable parts like PICs or even insertable chips, but with static parts like sockets, capacitors, rectifiers, power adapters, LEDs, etc.. I think having an alternate brand is a good idea.  Especially for guys like me who can read a spec sheet, but still not understand it and definitely not be able to pick an alternate with confidence.  Maybe we are just in a bad time slot where things are short and this won't happen again, but then again.......
Title: Re: LED Display On Backorder
Post by: RJ on September 07, 2009,
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  Maybe we are just in a bad time slot where things are short and this won't happen again, but then again.......

No I think it is a case of it is getting close to lights on and some of the over 1000 pcb only orders for the express shipped this year are being built.
Then again remember the wireless uses many of the same parts so maybe its the over 1000 wireless pcbs put out in the one coop being built. Or both I guess.

RJ
Title: Re: LED Display On Backorder
Post by: Tigman009 on September 12, 2009,
I ordered the other LED displays and they do not work.  They are two wide to fit all three.  PN 604-SA43-11GWA.  I guess I will wait for the backorder.

mike
Title: Re: LED Display On Backorder
Post by: RJ on September 12, 2009,
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I ordered the other LED displays and they do not work.  They are two wide to fit all three.  PN 604-SA43-11GWA.  I guess I will wait for the backorder.

mike

Really!  I thought they were the same on socket size from the data sheet. Sorry, I should know better than tell anyone to use a subsitute part. And we need to learn to be more patient as every change always brings problems. Thats one of the reasons I prefer to use the same known to work items. Of course I have no control over ANY certain not to be named manufactor (microchip!) changing their product and causing issues.

RJ
Title: Re: LED Display On Backorder
Post by: Tigman009 on September 12, 2009,
As my Mother always says, patients is a virtue.  Too bad I didn't take her advise and realize that Mom always knows best.
Title: Re: LED Display On Backorder
Post by: wbuehler on September 12, 2009,
I have some Green ones I can send you as I use RED displays.
How many are you looking for?

Bill

Title: Re: LED Display On Backorder
Post by: jnealand on September 17, 2009,
Well I got my order of parts in and compared the two LED parts.  I ordered mine before Mike had posted about the size problem.  Attached is a photo to show you how really different they are.

Thanks to Bill Buehler who had some spares and sent them to me.   Anyone have a project needing larger LEDs???