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Hardware => Lynx Smart String => Topic started by: galgon on January 07, 2013,

Title: 50/50s - Rectangle vs. Square
Post by: galgon on January 07, 2013,
What is the difference between the metal backed square 50/50s and the plastic rectangular 50/50s?  Is it simply the form factor an materials?  Are there certain tasks where one is better than the other?  The rectangular nodes are considerably cheaper than the square ones so I am just trying to see what the extra money buys you.
Title: Re: 50/50s - Rectangle vs. Square
Post by: chrisatpsu on January 07, 2013,
according to the wiki, the plastic rectangles consume more power per node. aside from that, they both have three rgbleds that are controlled together.

the metal squares have them in a triangle shape
the plastic rectangles are in a straight line.

the plastic rectangles are about twice as thick as the metal squares, bu they are skinnier.

both are commonly used behind something to illuminate it.

for me, i used metal squares inside an acrylic globe to light up the globe.
And i used plastic rectangles to illuminate coroplast
Title: Re: 50/50s - Rectangle vs. Square
Post by: Steve Gase on January 07, 2013,
Functionally they are the same.  It's mainly a visual difference.  A line of plastic rectangles can do well for a roofline.
Title: Re: 50/50s - Rectangle vs. Square
Post by: tbone321 on January 08, 2013,
Due to the current difference, I would suspect that the rectangular nodes are also using slightly higher powered LED's which would make them slightly brighter. 
Title: Re: 50/50s - Rectangle vs. Square
Post by: chrisatpsu on January 08, 2013,
they use the same leds
Title: Re: 50/50s - Rectangle vs. Square
Post by: tbone321 on January 08, 2013,
How do you know?  Do you have the specific component list for each node?  What is causing a larger current draw?  It may be that they are using smaller current limiting resistors and if so, then again, the rectangular nodes will probably be a little brighter.
Title: Re: 50/50s - Rectangle vs. Square
Post by: Steve Gase on January 08, 2013,
Could the wiki be off?
Ray Wu's site shows the same power consumption:Power Consumption Per Piece:  0.24Rectangle: TM1804 IC led pixel module, DC12V input;20pcs a stringSquare:      TM1804 IC led pixel module, DC12V input;20pcs a string
Title: Re: 50/50s - Rectangle vs. Square
Post by: zwiller on January 08, 2013,
Grab some dumb ones at holidaycoro.com and a dmx controller (power supply if you don't have 12VDC) to fool with and see if you like them.  Although dumb they are very similar.  I was immediately hooked.  You have been warned!   ;D 
Title: Re: 50/50s - Rectangle vs. Square
Post by: Steve Gase on January 08, 2013,
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Grab some dumb ones at holidaycoro.com and a dmx controller (power supply if you don't have 12VDC) to fool with and see if you like them.  Although dumb they are very similar.  I was immediately hooked.  You have been warned!   ;D
I did see that the dumb squares have 4 leds, and not 3 like the smart.
Title: Re: 50/50s - Rectangle vs. Square
Post by: tbone321 on January 08, 2013,
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Could the wiki be off?
Ray Wu's site shows the same power consumption:Power Consumption Per Piece:  0.24Rectangle: TM1804 IC led pixel module, DC12V input;20pcs a stringSquare:      TM1804 IC led pixel module, DC12V input;20pcs a string

Well, if the WIKI is off and that sometimes happens, then they probably are using the same components and that is that.
Title: Re: 50/50s - Rectangle vs. Square
Post by: chrisatpsu on January 08, 2013,
B/c i get a lot of my materials from Ray...
(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t438/chrisatpsu/IMAG0364_zps7e96774f.jpg)

(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t438/chrisatpsu/IMAG0365_zps71733ad0.jpg)

(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t438/chrisatpsu/IMAG0366_zps1bea0a73.jpg)

btw, the squares, and rectangles use the same resistors, led, diode, and cap...
Title: Re: 50/50s - Rectangle vs. Square
Post by: tbone321 on January 08, 2013,
And draw the same current so as said above, this part of th discussion is a wash.
Title: Re: 50/50s - Rectangle vs. Square
Post by: SteveMaris on January 08, 2013,
The biggest difference I have found between the two is, one sticks to magnets and the other doesn't.
Hope this helps...
Title: Re: 50/50s - Rectangle vs. Square
Post by: Steve Gase on January 08, 2013,
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The biggest difference I have found between the two is, one sticks to magnets and the other doesn't.
Hope this helps...
hot glue seems to work ok with plastic nodes.
double-backed tape does well with the metal nodes.
Title: Re: 50/50s - Rectangle vs. Square
Post by: chrisatpsu on January 08, 2013,
as in my picture, nuts and bolts work well with the metal squares also...
Title: Re: 50/50s - Rectangle vs. Square
Post by: zwiller on January 08, 2013,
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Grab some dumb ones at holidaycoro.com and a dmx controller (power supply if you don't have 12VDC) to fool with and see if you like them.  Although dumb they are very similar.  I was immediately hooked.  You have been warned!   ;D
I did see that the dumb squares have 4 leds, and not 3 like the smart.

Although not in the wiki all my squares are the 4 led variety.  http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/20pcs-string-TM1804IC-waterproof-led-pixel-module-4pcs-SMD-RGB-5050/701799_441785531.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/20pcs-string-TM1804IC-waterproof-led-pixel-module-4pcs-SMD-RGB-5050/701799_441785531.html)

Works flawlessly with v3.1 ssc firmware.  Last time I chatted with Ray he said he was not going to stock the 3 led squares since no one is buying them.  More output and cheaper   :o

Truthfully it's all a shape issue to me.  I prefer the symmetry of the 4 led squares (pic in thread) but the rectangles have their place too (pic attached).  http://diylightanimation.com/index.php?topic=9410.msg130792#msg130792 (http://diylightanimation.com/index.php?topic=9410.msg130792#msg130792)