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Title: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: salongaopm on September 30, 2013,
the 100ohm resistor in ss Hub is very hot that i think it made a burnt mark on the board. is this something to be expected? please see attached picture.

Title: Re: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: tbone321 on September 30, 2013,
The 100 ohm resistor is not the correct value.  It is supposed to be a 150 ohm resistor.  Yes it does get hot but the 100 ohm actually gets hot enough to unsolder itself from the board.  The purpose of this resistor is to put a load on the PS so that the regulators work properly.  100 ohms draws way too much current.  Don't continue to use the hub this way or you may end up damaging the board.  You can get the correct resistor from Radio Shack.
Title: Re: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: JoeFromOzarks on September 30, 2013,
http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=PR03000201000JAC00virtualkey59420000virtualkey594-5093NW100R0J

100 ohm 3W

The solder joints look a little "cold" but may be from the resistor warming.  Desolder and reapply.

On our boards I raised the 100 ohm about 3/8" 1/2" off the PCB.

:) joe
Title: Re: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: tbone321 on September 30, 2013,
The WIKI shows it as a 150 ohm resistor and that is what mine have.  now that I think about it, it may have been a 50 ohm resistor that unsoldered itself from a few boards.  I still believe that 100 ohm is still too low and draws way more current and gets much hotter than it needs to.
Title: Re: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: rrowan on September 30, 2013,
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The WIKI shows it as a 150 ohm resistor and that is what mine have.  now that I think about it, it may have been a 50 ohm resistor that unsoldered itself from a few boards.  I still believe that 100 ohm is still too low and draws way more current and gets much hotter than it needs to.

I know the first coop of the etherdongle had a 49k resistor that unsolder itself.

Rick R.
Title: Re: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: JoeFromOzarks on September 30, 2013,
Are we talking about the Smart Hub?  The WIKI shows 100 ohm (as does Mouser BOM, the link above) and the hubs I have here have 100 ohms.  If they are supposed to be 150 ohm I missed the parade.   If we're not talking about the Smart Hub then I'm a Pepsi short of having a complete morning. 

:) joe

(Was "were" not "we're" proving I was a Pepsi short!)  :)
Title: Re: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: chrisatpsu on September 30, 2013,
check the resistor with your multi meter to see it it's still 100 ohms.

it might be off spec, or something might have happened to it.
Title: Re: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: tbone321 on September 30, 2013,
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Are we talking about the Smart Hub?  The WIKI shows 100 ohm (as does Mouser BOM, the link above) and the hubs I have here have 100 ohms.  If they are supposed to be 150 ohm I missed the parade.   If were not talking about the Smart Hub then I'm a Pepsi short of having a complete morning. 

:) joe

LOL, you are correct, mine does have the 100 ohm resistor installed.  I seem to have way to many things going on to keep things straight.  Like Rick said, it was the 50 ohm (47 ohm) resistor that decided to remove itself from the boards that it was installed on.  The correct resistor does get hot but I don't remember mine getting hot enough to scorch the board.  As Chris suggested, I would measure the actual resistance and make sure that the resistor is in spec.
Title: Re: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: zwiller on September 30, 2013,
No comment on the resistor value but mine also gets hot like "the waitress warned me the plates were hot but I didn't believe here so I touched it and now I have a 1st degree burn" hot...  But, no burns on board or issues with desoldering... 
Title: Re: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: salongaopm on September 30, 2013,
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check the resistor with your multi meter to see it it's still 100 ohms.

it might be off spec, or something might have happened to it.

 i will check it afterwork tomorrow morning.
you are probably right that it is off spec base on this thread http://diylightanimation.com/index.php?topic=4408.645 (http://diylightanimation.com/index.php?topic=4408.645) 

Title: Re: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: RJ on October 01, 2013,
100 ohm is correct. the wrong ones sent out where 15 ohm. they would desolder themselves fairly quick.

they will get fairly hot so you do not want to touch them. They are 100 ohm because some Power Supplies do not regulate very well without a decent load and so if your lights are all turned off you need a good load on the power supply.

RJ
Title: Re: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: pk on October 01, 2013,
The 100 ohm resistor is rated at 3 watts and is dissipating 1.44 watts. 
Title: Re: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: salongaopm on October 01, 2013,
i am getting a reading of 18 :(
Title: Re: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: tbone321 on October 01, 2013,
You need to remove one of the legs from the board to get an accurate reading.  Measuring the resistance with the fuse installed then also measures the resistance of the rest of the circuits that the resistor in in parallel with.  If it is really 18 ohms then you would need to remove and replace it anyway so you can start by removing one leg and then measure it again.  If it is still 18 ohms then it really needs to be replaced but at 18 ohms, I think that it would remove itself.
Title: Re: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: salongaopm on October 01, 2013,
i removed it from the board and it is giving me a reading of 17-18
Title: Re: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: tbone321 on October 01, 2013,
Then it looks like you have the answer to your problem which is to replace the resistor.  This is a common resistor value and should be available at Radio Shack.
Title: Re: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: salongaopm on October 01, 2013,
ok...thanks!
Title: Re: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: Dennis Cherry on October 01, 2013,
Looking at your picture it sure looked like an 18 Ohm resistor according to the bands. But the way some mark their devices it could mean anything.

You have a brown and gray bands which should be 18 ohms, the one you need should have brown, black, brown. or marked with 100 or 101.
Title: Re: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: salongaopm on October 04, 2013,
can i use this?

http://www.weisd.com/test/WEISD_TBL_view.php?editid1=NTE5W110

found it at frys
Title: Re: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: zwiller on October 04, 2013,
I vote yes but would want a confirmation from another member.  http://www.digikey.com/classic/documentredirector.aspx?doc=http://www.digikey.com%2fWeb%20Export%2fSupplier%20Content%2fRiedon_696%2fPDF%2friedon-an-wirewound-vs-film.pdf (http://www.digikey.com/classic/documentredirector.aspx?doc=http://www.digikey.com%2fWeb%20Export%2fSupplier%20Content%2fRiedon_696%2fPDF%2friedon-an-wirewound-vs-film.pdf)

Another idea is to shoot rainlover (coop mgr) a PM and see if he has an extra leftover and he could mail you one... 
Title: Re: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: Dennis Cherry on October 04, 2013,
The spacing between the bent leads will be 1 inch on that resistor. Body length is .88 inches

What is the spacing on the holes on the PCB?
Title: Re: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: tbone321 on October 04, 2013,
Sure, you can use that one if you want to. That is a ceramic resistor and since they can deal well with heat, it may get hot but should work just fine.
Title: Re: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: salongaopm on October 04, 2013,
it is the ony one I can find in the stores near me. If there is no bad  effect to the board/controller, I will use it then. Thanks!
Title: Re: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: Dennis Cherry on October 05, 2013,
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it is the ony one I can find in the stores near me. If there is no bad  effect to the board/controller, I will use it then. Thanks!

I recommend mounting the resistor at least 1/4" above the PCB to help dissipate heat better and not burn the board.
Title: Re: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: JerryPlak on October 05, 2013,
I am using these Ceramic Cement Resistor 100 Ohm 5W 
Title: Re: 100ohm resistor is very hot
Post by: salongaopm on October 05, 2013,
I mounted the resistor closer to the edge of the board and away from the nearest part. It seems to be working fine and not as hot as the previous part.