DiyLightAnimation
Software => Light Show Pro => Topic started by: zwiller on November 07, 2013,
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I do nearly all my sequencing old school grid style. Never could figure out the chase function... Seems like it does what it wants and not what I want it to do. Any pointers or advice? Can you even use chase for RGB controllers? THANKS
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I thought you had to first copy the portion you wanted to chase, then you can chase across timeline and channels and it should use that initial pattern you copied ... it was something like that, but I have used LSP in a long while.
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Create an on effect in the first channel that you want the effect to begin in. Select that effect. Right click and copy effect. Click tilt & pan. With mouse over effect press shift. Slide down and over for the duration you want the chase. When you get to the last channel that you want the effect release and it will give you four different chase options, linear chase, ease in, ease out, ease in & out. It will also give you an option to use a color blend over the course of the chase. Hope that helps. George
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Thanks guys. George, your method works great. I think I've figured out what was driving me batty was that you must drag beyond your intended stop interval. I did some real crazy things to like copy a 3 channels of effects and chased them over 120 channels and it worked right and created (40) 3 channel effect chase. This should be a real time saver now. Anyone reading this should be advised to use another timing mark color for these so that you can keep beat tracks and whatnot preserved.
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Create an on effect in the first channel that you want the effect to begin in. Select that effect. Right click and copy effect. Click tilt & pan. With mouse over effect press shift. Slide down and over for the duration you want the chase. When you get to the last channel that you want the effect release and it will give you four different chase options, linear chase, ease in, ease out, ease in & out. It will also give you an option to use a color blend over the course of the chase. Hope that helps. George
Why do you use tilt & pan? If I do the same steps but choose the chaser effect, I get the same results. Am I missing something?
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I am back on choosing another color for a timing mark.. how do you do that?
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Create an on effect in the first channel that you want the effect to begin in. Select that effect. Right click and copy effect. Click tilt & pan. With mouse over effect press shift. Slide down and over for the duration you want the chase. When you get to the last channel that you want the effect release and it will give you four different chase options, linear chase, ease in, ease out, ease in & out. It will also give you an option to use a color blend over the course of the chase. Hope that helps. George
Why do you use tilt & pan? If I do the same steps but choose the chaser effect, I get the same results. Am I missing something?
Just the way I have always done it, and it works. I will definitely try it with the chaser effect now as well, do you get more options?
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Create an on effect in the first channel that you want the effect to begin in. Select that effect. Right click and copy effect. Click tilt & pan. With mouse over effect press shift. Slide down and over for the duration you want the chase. When you get to the last channel that you want the effect release and it will give you four different chase options, linear chase, ease in, ease out, ease in & out. It will also give you an option to use a color blend over the course of the chase. Hope that helps. George
Why do you use tilt & pan? If I do the same steps but choose the chaser effect, I get the same results. Am I missing something?
Just the way I have always done it, and it works. I will definitely try it with the chaser effect now as well, do you get more options?
No, I don't get any more options. same as the tilt and pan method. Its nice to know there is another way to chase. One thing I did notice while trying your technique, I created 6 RGB controllers, with 75 channels per controller. I collapsed all controllers. Then turned the on effect, for channel 1 (1-3), copied that "on" effect and chased it across all controllers. Needless to say, there was an "on" effect for all channels the first 1/2 sec in the first controller, but chased the rest of the controllers fine.
So I tried almost the same process as above, except this time after copying the effect, I clicked undo. Then chose chase, hovered over the empty cell where I wanted the chase to start, shift and dragged the duration, I had a perfect chase over all 450 channels. Maybe this is common knowledge? I learned something new, due to your post :D
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Happy to see that this post led to some good discussion... Clearly, the chase function is a powerful tool (more than I realized). As well as applying effects to collapsed controllers which is one of the reasons I went with LSP....
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Do any of you have a techinques for copy and pasting patterns over collapsed controllers? IE 4 controllers and a simple pattern that repeats. If I copy and paste as normal it expands the first controller's cells over the other controllers. I can cut and paste without the controllers collapsed but it is rather hard to do with that many cells and all of the scrolling...
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I don't. But now I have a KUNG-FU GRIP!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!!! <la.. <la.. <la.. <la.. <la.. <la.. <la..
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I have a workaround I use. I created a "pattern" sequence with fixed intervals with a single controller of 16 channels 1 minute long. I open this up while working on main sequence. With the controller expanded (pattern sequence) I create the pattern, copy and then open the other sequence and paste. I will dig farther but I am fairly confident there is a way to do this like we want to by holding down shift key or something... Lots of hidden gems in LSP...
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press shift.
Oh only if I had seen that a couple hours earlier into last night!
Also this only seems to work if the cells are empty, is there a command to make the cells empty vs the off I had filled them with to get rid of other effects I had played with, didn't copy right etc?
Also, in the visulizer do you guys see this copied effect with the correct timing?
I did it over a 10 second period, and in the visualizer for a completely blank set up with just 1 arch drawn, the "leap" is just a second or so long and then nothing for the rest of the 9 seconds..
Oh man, stuff like this drives me batty!
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When I get home I will check and see if chase works over filled cells. I don't see why it shouldn't.
Add a plain old on effect to the interval and see if it lasts 10 seconds... How did you setup the 10 second intervals?
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I created a default animation sequence with .5 second timing marks. I believe that defaults to 2 minutes.
Then I did the ramp up in channel one timing grid spot one. Copied that, did the control z undo. Then held down the shift key and drug down 30 channels and over one timing mark past 10 seconds and released.
To me it should run 10 seconds in visualizer.
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Never mind. Pebkac.
I did not span the arch across the channels when I drew it!
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Pebkac.
Had to google that.
<la..
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Anyone having success with applying a blend across a chase. Not working for me ???
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Not yet, but I spent a couple of hours after picking up the kid from the football game bus ride at 2:00am learning about the sonofx tool..
Is there a way to paste down channels without either doing the WHOLE controller or doing them individually and then having to choose the timing mark snap or from clipboard?
I was playing with the 2001 space odyssey (did not realize it's 10 minutes, so need to whack that song in audacity to the piece I wanted) and thought it would be nice in the initial tada to have the whole house ramp up and down with the waveform. I am thinking it will do that WITHIN a timing cell so I set one for a few seconds. Hard to tell on the screen, need to hook up and look at real lights to see if it is doing what I think it is supposed to be doing.
e.,g.
if you had a 5 second cell and the sound went up and down in that cells timing, that the intensity of the lights would fade up and down as well based on what you control dragged in the sonogram as the bottom and top levels of amplitude.
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Never used sonofx/amplitude. Tried it and it seems more complex than need be. LSP info: http://lightshowpro.com/lightshow-support/4018-sonofx-amplitude-effects.html (http://lightshowpro.com/lightshow-support/4018-sonofx-amplitude-effects.html)
Nice shorter version of 2001: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxLacN2Dp6A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxLacN2Dp6A)
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Anyone having success with applying a blend across a chase. Not working for me ???
No problems here. Both,Span Clipboard effects and span entire chase work fine. One thing I do notice is, picking the colors for the blend can be a PITA. Sometimes its a normal double click on the RGB Blend Picker, other times it takes 3 or 4 clicks within a sweet spot, to get to the Color picker.
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You're running 64bit 2.8 right? I am 32bit 2.5. I tried it a ton of different ways, no dice. Not the end of the world...
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Never used sonofx/amplitude. Tried it and it seems more complex than need be. LSP info: http://lightshowpro.com/lightshow-support/4018-sonofx-amplitude-effects.html (http://lightshowpro.com/lightshow-support/4018-sonofx-amplitude-effects.html)
Nice shorter version of 2001: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxLacN2Dp6A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxLacN2Dp6A)
Thank for both, my screen definitely did not look like that help file when I was done!
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You're running 64bit 2.8 right? I am 32bit 2.5. I tried it a ton of different ways, no dice. Not the end of the world...
Yeah, I'm running 64bit with 2.8. I don't recall a problem when I was running 2.5 32bit. Can't say for certain though:)
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Anyone having success with applying a blend across a chase. Not working for me ???
Sam what steps are you using? It should give you a choice at the top of the last pop up box to blend. Then you can select your blend colors. Make sense? ..
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99% sure I am doing everything right it is just not blending. It just changes the color of the whole chase to the color it should be blending...
Here's what I am doing: copy cell (ramp down), hit chaser, hold shift key, click and drag to end, hit OK linear chase, check apply blend (span over entire chase) and OK.
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That darn 1%... Thanks to Alan (arw01) it was ebkac... I thought the popup window was for the color to be blended with the color I had copied the cells from to be chased, but it IS the blend. For what I was trying to do (red to green) I need to generate a color blend prior to doing the chase so it is in the recent blends. That it easier than it sounds. I had to pick 3 cells, make one red, and one farther away, green. Add on effect with auto blend for the cell in between. Then copied that cell, right clicked copy and pasted to another cell and it is now in my history. Is there anyway to do red to green blend from within the popup?
THANKS ALAN! <res.
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maybe the video on the macro chase and the fill command will answer that one, certainly opens some powerful stuff.
http://vimeo.com/8382236 (http://vimeo.com/8382236)
My space odyssey is driving me nuts...
Now my visualizer is not working properly with the arches... sheesh... Works fine if I turn off visualizer and watch the channel headers.. wonder what it will output, have to go hook up shortly and see.
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I swear David has every rgb blend known to mankind in the recent blend list during that video... I decided to add a few favorites to my own and I am off to the races.
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I am broke down at the garage :( Not sure if the demonstration version of 2.5 will even output to the dongle to output to the lights, I got nothing tonight when I finally was going to try a couple of things and see how they looked on the arches.
Posted a message over there to find out what the limitations are in 2.5. In 2.8 you would get no outputs at all, I had thought 2.5 was good for 30 day so you could really give it a test driver before you plunk down $250.00!
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Th good news is that you can use FrankR's Light Elf utility to convert your sequences to Xlight format then use Xlights to play them (or for that matter to test the lights period) Even with the new scheduler from LSP I will most likely be using Xlights to play my show.
I am broke down at the garage :( Not sure if the demonstration version of 2.5 will even output to the dongle to output to the lights, I got nothing tonight when I finally was going to tray a couple of things and see how they looked on the arches.
Posted a message over there to find out what the limitations are in 2.5. In 2.8 you would get no outputs at all, I had thought 2.5 was good for 30 day so you could really give it a test driver before you plunk down $250.00!
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I am broke down at the garage :( Not sure if the demonstration version of 2.5 will even output to the dongle to output to the lights, I got nothing tonight when I finally was going to tray a couple of things and see how they looked on the arches.
Posted a message over there to find out what the limitations are in 2.5. In 2.8 you would get no outputs at all, I had thought 2.5 was good for 30 day so you could really give it a test driver before you plunk down $250.00!
So 30 seconds for LSP demo I see. Controller is setup for pixelnet and dongle flashed to same?
Whatever bad juju you are dealing with rubbed off from our web session, my visualizer crashed this am... ;D
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Posted a message over there to find out what the limitations are in 2.5. In 2.8 you would get no outputs at all, I had thought 2.5 was good for 30 day so you could really give it a test driver before you plunk down $250.00!
+1 on that method, with a little posting help last night and some determination I was able to get a light elf translation over into xlights sequence player and get some light output from the sequence Zwiller helped me with. So onwards and upwards!
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So 30 seconds for LSP demo I see. Controller is setup for pixelnet and dongle flashed to same?
I am told the key is to actually SELECT those 30 second pieces and then it should output, will try that this evening and see. However, even their testing dialog would not turn on the lights. I switched over to xlights and on they come, so it's something sort of limitation on their side. Posted on LSP to get some clarification. Being on 2.5 in demo mode they do not encrypt the sequence file, so I was able to bring it to xlights via light elf to see at least a tiny portion.
Whatever bad juju you are dealing with rubbed off from our web session, my visualizer crashed this am... ;D
No bad juju here, I even fixed my weird output on the visualizer on the my arches. I did not notice that when you draw them, the latest releases show the span channels dialog for ALL the controllers, and I was seeing channel 1 to channel 30 and thinking I am good to go, well that was channel 1 on controller 1 and channel 30 on controller 4 or who knows which of many controllers!
Used the right click clear channel images and redrew them and wow, it works as expected.
pebkac!
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Is there anyway to do red to green blend from within the popup?
Yes Sam. When you select blend and the color chart comes up, use the color palette from one side or the other and you should be good to go. I am at work or I would do a quick video to show you what I mean. From the picture that I posted earlier select blend then make what ever blend you want. If the blend is all one color that is what you will get. I am sure that I am not making sense here as I am HORRIBLE at explaining myself! :-[
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Made sense to me and and it works! THANKS ROGER. So clicking in the left of the color band and I can choose start color, clicking at the right chooses end, and middle reverses things... Cool. Wow, that popup named color picker has a ton of options that I have no idea how to use, BUT in time. ;D
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Made sense to me and and it works! THANKS ROGER. So clicking in the left of the color band and I can choose start color, clicking at the right chooses end, and middle reverses things... Cool. Wow, that popup named color picker has a ton of options that I have no idea how to use, BUT in time. ;D
Glad it worked for you!
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And I learned to bring a chase down a set of cells you HAVE to put something into the first cell and copy it.
so I put a ramp up into the first cell of these two and then was able to do the shift-drag down the two wide cells 30 channels long and now I get a very fast leap on a single arch... That took a while, and the help of a session, from Mike on the LSP board, but thought I would share over here too.
(http://www.webbyhome.com/images/20111107_lsp_chase-5.jpg)
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Is there a way to do a chase on a single collapsed controller besides a macro? Doing the chase over an open controller is a pain since my screen sometimes doesn't want to scroll down since the full controller I can't see the entire thing on the screen.
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I am having the same issue, must be on LSP 2.5? Worked better on 2.8, but that introduces other issues with my demonstration time.
You can hold down the shift key and then use the down arrow on the keyboard to scroll down, it's a bit of a pain but does work. If you have a scroll wheel on the mouse, it might work too, have not tried that yet.
Alan
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I'm on 2.8. The scrolling has always been a pain for me (2.0,2.5,2.8). Ug oh well. Now I can't get the chase to even work across like it did before, just keeps on cell on right in the middle. Time to step away before my screen has a fist through it.
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been there lately, two steps forward, 3 steps back for sure!
Although it should make no difference I found using the off to clear out everything in cell range and then cleaning out all the stray 20 timing marks in there helped with some really weird stuff.
Last night I could not get a chase to draw in a macro, today it's a little weird looking, but I left them and will see what it looks like on the arch in real time. They should have another drop of fixes this week or maybe next week.
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I just wish they would have done the sequencer first, can't run a sequence in the new scheduler if you can't make one :)
Oh well, back to the grind tonight. 4 done and hopefully I can get 2 or 3 more done. I may create and just do a couple nutcracker ones.
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I might make a nutcracker of blue christmas or something with the oawoo oawoo oawoo with some sort of surge up and down I don't know, not much going on in that song, of course only along the blue!
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Although I think scrolling when chasing over lots of channels is a bit challenging, it sure beats programming old school. I have found creating controllers for each element and assigning the controllers to layers helps alot. At first I thought of layers as primarily for transitions but now have come to use them to keep my sanity when looking at a grid. IE -layer for arches, layer for minis, layer for house outline, layer for window frames, etc. With learning chaser I am really using it alot and it is a huuge timesaver and I trying some crazy stuff.
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Yes, when the layers work and the macros work, it's fabulous. Had a good day and no noxious bugs today to mess up all the work! I do notice you have to just close that program every once in a while and just re-open or it get's wonky and stalls for a long period of time more than my patience to wait it out!
Ideally I would like to see some video of sequences running and seeing the track play with the macros and effects shown that did what when and where, be a good way to learn.
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I am really getting comfortable with chase now and am pleased to offer some updates. First off, maybe you guys put this one together already but you do NOT need to copy a pattern each time to use chase. Just get your pattern in your clipboard then with chase effect selected hold your shift down and select your area...
Secondly, I AM PLEASED TO REPORT that you totally can chase up AND down a collapsed controller! With the pattern in your clipboard select and drag over the collapsed controller. Aim ever so slightly up and it is an up chase and vice versa... I am chasing tons of stuff now!!! Some advice (and another point). Say you have 120 channels of flex. No need to chase each channel. Create a pattern over 3 channels, copy into clipboard, and your off to the races. Much faster and better looking too.
Hope this helps, especially George and his kung fu grip!
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Thanks, my kung-fu grip is getting stronger as I have now moved on to the physical set up of the display, been working my screw gun overtime and already built the 8 x 16' platform for the nativity and have most of the plywood up for the walls of my garage "diarama".
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I am really getting comfortable with chase now and am pleased to offer some updates. Create a pattern over 3 channels, copy into clipboard, and your off to the races. Much faster and better looking too.
Hope this helps, especially George and his kung fu grip!
Pics please, I have lsp brain fuzz!
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George,
You are truly holiday hardcore. I understand you retired the rotating sleigh?
Pics attached. First pic is how I chase 120 channels. Groups of 3 channel ramp down effects in clipboard (ctrl+c) and drag to end. With the 3 channels in clipboard you can now just chase collapsed controller as in 2nd pic.
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Ok so you draw three ramps, or you do a 3 channel chase first, so ramp in first one and then you shift drag that for 3 channels?
Then you put that into the clipboard with Ctrl-C, and then you do a shift drag of all the channels on that particular controller?
Then you can just shift drag over a few cells in the collapsed controller and it does a chase down all the channels as far over as you tell it with the shift drag?
I made my chases with a macro. i just drag it onto the layer with all the controllers I want, expand it to the size I want and done. if I want to change the color etc, I just right click the macro and make a new gradient (if you change a named gradient it changes in EVERYTHING as they are referenced from the library of gradients by name)
If I want to move it a tenth of second, i just resize it and done.
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Just draw 3 ramps and copy into clipboard, then shift drag to all the channels, or over a collapsed controller even.
Right clicking in the macro sounds interesting. Might need to try that. Moving macros does not work well on 2.5...
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George,
You are truly holiday hardcore. I understand you retired the rotating sleigh?
Pics attached. First pic is how I chase 120 channels. Groups of 3 channel ramp down effects in clipboard (ctrl+c) and drag to end. With the 3 channels in clipboard you can now just chase collapsed controller as in 2nd pic.
Nope, REBUILT IT!!!!! <fp. <fp. <fp. Don't know how I am going to do it, but I plan on adding some kind of leaping arch across my block. Thinking of running a strong wire from tree to tree and hanging reindeer from that wire? Wish me luck!!!
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Wish me luck!!!
Good Luck!!!!
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I guess it is go big or go home. Best of luck to you George!
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Someone have a screen print or a little segment that they could show how to do a simple alternating chase over 150 channels? Say like we do in nutcracker when we do single strand chase. I have long sections of a song that I want to put a blue white chase across the gutters and I'm not getting what I want with color slider or sparkle etc.
Alan
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I am forced to old school cut and paste. While I don't have George's kung fu grip I do have the technique refined from years of vixen experience. In one interval create 4 - 5 node on effects blue, white, blue, white. Copy the area, select cell of next interval and past SELECTING "flip vertically". Copy the new area. Paste 3 more sections. Select this area and paste to end of channel count. (use mouse wheel to go down the channels). Copy the entire controller length area using kung fu. Rinse, lather, and repeat. I can do this much faster than generating a macro or transition. Some thoughts about this. ALL my elements are divisible by 4 so the above technique works well. For odd channel counts you may have some channel ends that will need to be manually filled OR use a 3 part pattern Cool part is with a beat track in place the pattern is time aligned. Now say you want 2 chases per beat (tambourine shake). I manually add an interval halfway of the first and last interval of section. Select and insert multiple intervals of appropriate area. Then the cut and paste dance.
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I was afraid of that.. :o
Maybe next year I will get my beat tracks down better, This year not so much, the sequence, export, play, re-sequence, export, play wore me out, and I did not even put the conductor in the mix with the CF cards!
Alan
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I posted this before, but here is a quick video on using layers and transitions. Hopefully this helps others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1d2f7pbIGM
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I posted this before, but here is a quick video on using layers and transitions. Hopefully this helps others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1d2f7pbIGM
Great video, mind if I post it in the LSP virtual Classroom?
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Thank you! Feel free to post, although it may already be there.
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I've never seen that one. Great info!
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I posted this before, but here is a quick video on using layers and transitions. Hopefully this helps others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1d2f7pbIGM
Which Transition towards the end gives you the chassing effect with the static lights?
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I created my own custom video which simply transitioned between two colors. Here is a video showing what I did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geMFmyrSDrk
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Thanks Mickpat, I may have to look into some video software next year.
I think I found something workable with two layers of skipping channels, and then two image slider macros going the opposite direction from each other. Looked good on the visualizer. have to try it out in person now.
Alan