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Hardware => Lynx Wireless DMX => Topic started by: abell on April 20, 2009,

Title: BOM
Post by: abell on April 20, 2009,

Can we get a BOM for the all the Wireless stuff, so I can start ordering some on my own?

Adam

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: rrowan on April 20, 2009,

Not until the beta testers put the wireless through it paces. Need to check it all works before people buy parts that may or may not be in the final product.

I don't believe they have gotten their pcbs yet.

As soon as the testing is done a parts list will be posted.

Rick R.

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: scorpia on April 27, 2009,

Any word on how the testing is going?

i would like to place a mouser order for my express stuff in the next few days (hopefully once the stock comes in) and i would like to order at least the major bits for the wireless. i dont mind missing a few minor parts as they can be picked up local.

is there any chance of a BOM (partial?) being available say by the end of the week. i would really like to avoid the extra $45ish in shipping if i can.

i guess im mainly trying to get a timeframe to see if its worth holding off on my express stuff .

Peter

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: RJ on April 28, 2009,

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Any word on how the testing is going?

i would like to place a mouser order for my express stuff in the next few days (hopefully once the stock comes in) and i would like to order at least the major bits for the wireless. i dont mind missing a few minor parts as they can be picked up local.

is there any chance of a BOM (partial?) being available say by the end of the week. i would really like to avoid the extra $45ish in shipping if i can.

i guess im mainly trying to get a timeframe to see if its worth holding off on my express stuff .

Peter

I am sorry but you will have to wait on the beta to be complete before we post a BOM for parts on it.

RJ

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: scorpia on April 28, 2009,

so any word on how the beta testing is going?

just trying to get an idea of a timeframe thats all.

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: RJ on April 28, 2009,

They just got the PCB's Friday. I don't think anyone has any finished yet.

RJ

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: wbe12345 on May 04, 2009,

JUST MY 2CENTS

Does not posting the BOM for the wireless violate rules of the coop???

Some of us would take the chance that the parts would not change.


I might get some heat but rules are rules.

wbe12345

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: rrowan on May 04, 2009,

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JUST MY 2CENTS

Does not posting the BOM for the wireless violate rules of the coop???

Some of us would take the chance that the parts would not change.


I might get some heat but rules are rules.

wbe12345

By the activity of the beta guys (I am not one of them) I would think the BOM will be released soon. Of course that is RJ's call. Also just watching what is going on, if the BOM was out already people would be upset over ordering parts that were not needed or were added later. Causing you/them to have to spend more money for parts and shipping.

btw: You are correct

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A bill of materials (BOM) will be posted when the coop is started and will include projected totals for price break-points (10, 25, 50, etc.), as well as the date and time when the coop's sign-up ends

The only thing that I can add is the fact that the coop was started before the beta testers received their boards and bom. I'll have to put RJ in the penalty box.

Rick R.

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: RJ on May 04, 2009,

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JUST MY 2CENTS

Does not posting the BOM for the wireless violate rules of the coop???

Some of us would take the chance that the parts would not change.


I might get some heat but rules are rules.

wbe12345

Yes you are correct, I jumped the gun so we
Have two options :
I can close the coop and cancel it.
We can start it over again in about a month when the testers are done and it will run for a month so we should, with backorders of parts and ect, get the stuff around sept timeline.

Or since our rules are made by me with support of the members it is up to them. They can forgive the unintentional misstep and tell me to keep it open.

Post here to voice you opinion of what you want me to do. It does not matter any to me as I have my wireless up and running. I was trying to cut time to your hands down.

If you do not post in the next 2 days then do not complain on the outcome!

EITHER WAY YOU WILL NOT GET THE BOM UNTIL ALL TESTING IS DONE!

I am the one that has to listen to the same people grip that we changed something. (Yes I have)

RJ

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: blearning on May 04, 2009,

A newbie,

But I think we could bend the rules here because of coolness of the wireless ..

I still think RJ should be put in the penalty box, but just for stuff he has done we don't know about ...

That's is what dad would say if we over stepped and it was an honest mistake ... "then this smack is for one I missed ". *LAUGHING*

Dad never wasted a good smack ... ;_)

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: smartcontrols on May 04, 2009,

I Vote to make a waiver of the rules for this special coop.
Please keep the coop open, I understood when I ordered on it that it was a special coop and that the product was still in Beta. I accept that not all details are known yet and I appreciate you doing everything you can to get us this product as fast as possible.
RJ and testers, please spend your time finalizing this product correctly, so that I can get the same high quality perfect design I expect from DLA.

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: n1ist on May 04, 2009,

I vote to keep the coop open. 
/mike

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: b_legg on May 04, 2009,

I vote to keep the coop going. Since most of the testing would be done by the time the order was actually placed, we should know if any changes need to be made.

We all went into this coop knowing the project was still in beta and should have understood that one of the risks would be issues requiring parts changes or delaying of the order. We would still be saving time by continuing this coop and taking that chance. If we have to adjust pricing, so be it. At least we know we'll be getting a product of the best quality possible.

Brian

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: snething on May 04, 2009,

My vote is to keep the coop open.  I have faith that the BOM will be posted before the coop closes giving people the opportunity to make changes in their participation.

Scot

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: wbuehler on May 04, 2009,

As a Co-Op manager I vote to keep the Co-Op's open.  ;D

Bill

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: Murl on May 04, 2009,

Personally, I don't see an issue with this.  The COOP was opened with a disclaimer that it was in Beta testing and that it may change or be closed without ordering parts.  As long as the BOMs are worked out before collecting any money and the prices aren't substantially different, it shouldn't be a problem.

This isn't any different than RJ giving a waiver to let the LE COOPS go over the $5,000 limit.  Technically, that's against the rules as well, but RJ and the COOP managers are being upfront with what's being done, so everyone should understand the risks involved. 

The only time I would have a problem is if the rules were changed after the COOP is underway.

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: Ron on May 04, 2009,

I'm in, keep it open.

Ron

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: rrowan on May 04, 2009,

Hi Folks,

I am not getting any wireless at this time so my vote is not bias.

I vote to keep it OPEN.

I don't think it would be fair to the folks getting the wireless system

Rick R.

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: REM on May 04, 2009,

I agree with the rest. This is really a non-issue to me.  The way I see it, this is a "Pre-Co-Op". Simply a pre-order or reservation process.  I'd suggest an amendment to the rules to say that co-ops following a new beta device have until X hours/days before the closing of a co-op to post the BOM.  That or just take the word "Coop" out of the thread name ;)

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: vairmoose on May 04, 2009,

I do believe that the COOP should remain alive.  

However, because of the nature of risk involved, I also believe that should there be a significant increase in the per kit price because of BOM changes (i.e. 25% increase), that the individuals that have opted into the COOP should have one last opportunity to either change the qty of boards or even to opt out.   I realize that this puts one extra wicket in the process, but it would only be exercised if the price changed signficantly because of the testing.    This could also apply if the supplier  dramatically changed their price structure between time of estimate and final quote.   (example...   the  RF chip/antenna jumped from 9.95 to 19.95), so that the kit price jumped significantly) .    


Larry    

(p.s.   the 25% is just a number for consideration )  

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: KeithTarpley on May 04, 2009,

Greetings,,,

Point taken, but everything was made known on the situation as it stood.  I've argued against various ideas, but this is just a point where reality takes higher point.  If lots of people are going to have lights this season, moving with music, the reality is that we have to work the situation with a little leeway.  There are only so many coop managers and workers willing to do the work over the time required who can set aside the time.  And lots more people are here now, wanting equipment.  Especially wireless.

Jump on TeamSpeak some evenings and hear us all argue out the points and counterpoints.  We're the first to pick on RJ if we think something could be better,,,, or different.  He usually puts up with us... :-)

And if you are about to put out hundreds or thousands of units to people over the world, wouldn't you want to finalize the caps, power inputs, etc., just to be certain?

I'm the first to razz RJ about things, but can't do that here.  He's trying to make the most happy asap, but with things tested first.  Not always a perfect path.

But, in short.  I don't see a problem with the current situation.  Not at all.

Keith

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: wjgiles50 on May 04, 2009,

If it will help get us parts sooner then there is no question.  Keep it open.

Bill

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: jnealand on May 04, 2009,

Keep the coop open.  As a newbie I need to wait for the final BOM anyway since I'm still not sure what I'm doing anyway.  I would like to get the basic LE kit sooner and am eager for that coop to close.  I need to start learning to build my first something.

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: memphislights on May 04, 2009,

I am not part of this coop, so you can chuck my opinion if you want.   From the "original wireless coop" thread, it seemed pretty clear that the thread was more of a placeholder, or a show if interest, pending successful beta testing.

Do what politicans do, just change the title of the thread to "Gauging interest for Lynx Wireless Parts kits" and be done with it until it is converted to a proper "Coop"

Besides, up to this point, there has been no money exchange, and CAT5 is easy to get in a pinch if you have to go wired.  The wireless is like having AC in the car.  You want it, but don't necessarily need it.  You can work without it worst case.

So just leave it open.

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: solidmodeler on May 04, 2009,

As you can tell from my  order addition, keep it open.

Michael

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: PJNMCT on May 04, 2009,

Keep going RJ. Open is good.

Thanks for everything.

-Paul

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: MrChristmas2000 on May 04, 2009,

I vote to keep the coop open.   ;D
 

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: RJ on May 04, 2009,

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I do believe that the COOP should remain alive.  

However, because of the nature of risk involved, I also believe that should there be a significant increase in the per kit price because of BOM changes (i.e. 25% increase), that the individuals that have opted into the COOP should have one last opportunity to either change the qty of boards or even to opt out.   I realize that this puts one extra wicket in the process, but it would only be exercised if the price changed signficantly because of the testing.    This could also apply if the supplier  dramatically changed their price structure between time of estimate and final quote.   (example...   the  RF chip/antenna jumped from 9.95 to 19.95), so that the kit price jumped significantly) .    


Larry    

(p.s.   the 25% is just a number for consideration )  

This is a good point but remember coops aways allow you drop out. Right up to when we order. I let someone drop after we ordered on one because he had a issue where he lost his job. So we kind of always let people do this. It is in the rules that you can drop up to the order being placed. And this is just to protect the coop managers.

But an important point to remember is while you might agree that it is OK to go ahead I did break a rule. The OP is correct in this. No matter how unintentional my actions were.

RJ

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: Aussiephil on May 04, 2009,

Vote: Leave it Open

Reason: It was clearly disclaimed that the BOM would not be posted until after the beta has finished. You can choose to join or not based on that.

Whilst I understand and appreciate the point raised a level of practicality needs to be allowed, I too would like the BOM as I have a large mouser order to ship to OZ and would like to include parts, often it is cheaper for me to wrap up unit parts into a large order that is not part of current coops.

Do I really care about the BOM waiting on the Beta test - absolutely NOT. I understand the need to test and confirm parts.

Cheers
Phil

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: grossg on May 04, 2009,

I vote that we change the rules to reflect pcb pre-orders for cool stuff that RJ is developing that he is excited to share with us and we are excited to get as soon as possible.

After reading RJ's last blog where he says "Stay tuned over the next 2 1/2 months as we have a couple of real big surprises coming for DLA in more than new equipment that you really are going to want to see." I'm like a kid at Christmas wondering what the surprise is under the tree!  ;D

Best regards,
Glen

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: claytor1999 on May 04, 2009,

Keep the coop going.

Robb

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: Blackbeard on May 04, 2009,

I'm not sure I'm going to order the parts yet from the COOP, but I did place orders for the wireless boards. I guess in a round-about way, the board design might require last minute changes also, and that could make the board price rise also, though not significantly unless it requires something like two transformers and the like. I'm surprised that the wireless PCB COOP isn't being debated in the same way. I'm counting on the parts costing about the same regardless of whether I order them myself or through the COOP.

I'm holding off right now on ordering the parts due to the money I've got obligated to what I have ordered so far...cases, LE shipping, wireless boards. It all adds up fairly quickly, so I'm hoping a later parts coop will appear after I've managed to settle what I now owe.

So, since I am probably not going to order, take my considerations with a grain of salt. If I take the risk on the PCB board, like I have done, I would also take the risk with the parts if I had the money right now. I'm saying keep it OPEN, but I would like a little more info on when it might close and whether another might open. Chances are the next parts COOP may not be as popular, much like the 4th LE COOP is doing right now, and the prices won't be as favorable.

steve

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: dr. jones on May 04, 2009,

I'm all for keeping it going

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: tombmatt on May 04, 2009,

Keep it open!

Tom ;D ;D

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: iowian on May 04, 2009,

Please keep it open any jump we can get is always good for us blinky addicts.
Thanks Dennis

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: bfenlason on May 04, 2009,

My Vote - Yes keep the Coop open!

I have a great deal of confidence in designs that have been produced by RJ.  For me it is well worth the minimal risk that an item may change.

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: scharbon on May 04, 2009,

keep it open.

Steve

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: Randy_A on May 04, 2009,

Please keep it open, I really do not want to put conduit under my drive way...

Randy

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: Rbar on May 04, 2009,

You don't need my vote at this point, but I agree that you should keep it open.
Rbar

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: MtnBikeMN on May 04, 2009,

You can count my vote for keeping it going.  Definitely appreciate the effort to keep things moving and to have them done ahead of next season with some time to prepare.  Thanks!

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: kiwichristmas on May 04, 2009,

A little rule bending is ok, keep it open  :)

Chris

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: tlh on May 04, 2009,

I vote to keep the coop open.  I am satisfied that (1) the unique circumstances associated with this COOP have been clearly articulated from the onset and (2) those who might want to participate can make an informed decision about the risks involved.   I am being a pragmatist here; but, as I see it, the greater service to the larger community is achieved by moving forward with the COOP (and getting the equipment timely to those who want it) rather than being “technically correct” by waiting until beta testing is done, posting the BOM, and re-running the COOP.  I am glad that we have a community that is concerned about fairness, doing the right thing, and doing the right thing well.  Thanks for letting us weigh in on the issue.

Best regards,
tlh

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: wjt3 on May 04, 2009,

Keep it open. I haven't joined the wireless parts coop yet, but I am considering it. It was clearly explained that the BOM would be posted once beta testing was complete. I have confidence that any changes or modifications will be fully explained at the end of testing, and anyone wishing to withdraw will be able to do so. There is an element of risk involved in joining any of the coops. Each member factors this into every decision to join a coop. For me, the risk level is low, because I've found that DLA members and administrators want nothing more than for you to have fun and complete these projects in a timely and efficient manner...Bill

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: cBell on May 04, 2009,

At this point it would seem the voting is quite skewed towards keeping the COOP open, so my vote isn't going to make much difference.

Having said that, I echo the sentiments of everyone else and say keep it open.  I, like everyone else that responded understand what the word BETA refers to in hardware and software development.  That the potential is there for changes, modifications, delays, etc., but I also understand that you need to protect yourselves from people that don't get the concept of a beta.  Fortunately I feel that adequate warnings have been issued that such changes may occur.

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: Brad on May 04, 2009,

We should keep the coop open. September is way too late in the season to be building and testing boards. By Sept. we should have all controllers built and tested and be deep into sequencing. October is not far off. Most of us have to start hanging lights then, to be ready for the Thanksgiving week-end light up.

A two year veterans 2 cents...

Brad

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: Greg on May 04, 2009,

I vote to keep the Co-op open.

I have no skin in this particular co-op but, as others have said, it was clearly stated up front that the final action within this co-op was subject to success of the beta testing program.  At this point only the beta testers have risk investment and that it a requirement of signing on as a beta tester.

Greg

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: Cobergas on May 04, 2009,

Open... I want wireless... It works I saw it nuff said.

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: wirekat on May 05, 2009,

Keep it going...

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: WWNF911 on May 05, 2009,

I think we should cancel and close....






Just kidding.   ;D

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But an important point to remember is while you might agree that it is OK to go ahead I did break a rule. The OP is correct in this. No matter how unintentional my actions were.

RJ

RJ,

An interesting dilemma. Interesting in the sense that it gives you the perspective of a judge that must sentence based on the law. They do however on occasion take into account the outstanding circumstances. In this case it would appear by vote you've been acquitted.

I vote we keep it open.  :)


Leon

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: ElectricCraft1 on May 05, 2009,

Keep it open.  I too want the BOM for I am trying to go wireless before July 4th, but testing is necessary.  RJ is doing what is best for us, not himself.

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: Hauvega on May 05, 2009,

I vote to keep it open.  Gives a quantity poll of what is desired.

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: lonewolf41 on May 05, 2009,

Leave it open.  I need all the time I can get. :)

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: deplanche on May 05, 2009,

Close the coop.  Stop all work on wireless devices.  Ban RJ from the site.  Don't let him return until pigs fly.  Wait, I just heard on the news that they have identified that a swine flu.  Guess we can let him back in.  :D 

Keep going.  Wires are the enemy!!

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: tpctech on May 05, 2009,

Keep it Open!!

I guess having the BOM at this time isn't needed being there is now a parts coop.  We basically don't need the BOM till it is time to stuff the boards.

Looking forward to cool new toys to play with!

KEN

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: 31swford on May 05, 2009,

As a new forum user, I have spent several hours reading. Since I am new to DIY and soldering, this is a BIG jump for me.  However, I feel RJ has on more than one occasion advised this was more of a pre co-op as beta was not finished with testing.   He stated if  there were no major issues with beta, the co op would go forward when testing was over, and if major issues were identified, it would be cancelled. If you don't want to take the chance--don't, another will happen soon enough.

As a Ga mini participant, I saw the wireless in action but because I AM new to this, I need all the time I can get to put it together. My vote is to keep it open (if I'm allowed to vote yet!).  RJ has been accountable to his customers and this forum.  He has put this forth to be voted on and had his hand spanked, so lets move forward.  My order stands--1 transmitter and 3 receivers.   Rhonda

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: RJ on May 07, 2009,

As I see no support for closing the coops and almost 100% for keeping them open I see no reason to close them. We have been moving ahead with the beta and have added other improvements to the setup including changing the AC wall wart units that run the units cooler and cost less. 

RJ

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: Cobergas on May 07, 2009,

Cooler as in temp or as in neato factor?

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: WWNF911 on May 08, 2009,

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Cooler as in temp or as in neato factor?

Yes!       ;D

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: rrowan on May 08, 2009,

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Cooler as in temp or as in neato factor?

Yes!       ;D

Just to expand the well detail reply from Leon :D

Just cooler in temp. Using a lower voltage wall wart so less heat is created

Rick R.

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: WWNF911 on May 08, 2009,

So, temp running cooler and NO neato factor... Got it!   ;D

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: rrowan on May 08, 2009,

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So, temp running cooler and NO neato factor... Got it!   ;D

The Neato Factor is always include in RJ's designs :D :D :D

LOL

Cheers

Rick R.

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: RJ on May 08, 2009,

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So, temp running cooler and NO neato factor... Got it!   ;D

The Neato Factor is always include in RJ's designs :D :D :D

LOL

Cheers

Rick R.

Thanks Rick!  yes it is the tempeture and cost savings we are doing it for.

RJ

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: scorpia on July 01, 2009,

With the wireless beta over and the wireless parts coop closed can i assume that the BOM has been finallised now?

i would be very greatfull if the BOM's for the wireless boards were released in the next few days so i could add the extra parts i require to my next mouser order.

Thanks in advance.

Peter

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: RJ on July 07, 2009,

Parts List (BOM) links for the wireless :

TX  :    http://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/ProjectDetail.aspx?AccessID=91e5006e3c

Standalone Reciever  :  http://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/ProjectDetail.aspx?AccessID=920851c660

Express RX  : http://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/ProjectDetail.aspx?AccessID=9f1bb9526f


I will ask Rick our awesome wiki master to post them on the Wiki later.

RJ

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: rrowan on July 13, 2009,

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Parts List (BOM) links for the wireless :

TX  :    http://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/ProjectDetail.aspx?AccessID=91e5006e3c

Standalone Reciever  :  http://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/ProjectDetail.aspx?AccessID=920851c660

Express RX  : http://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/ProjectDetail.aspx?AccessID=9f1bb9526f


I will ask Rick our awesome wiki master to post them on the Wiki later.

RJ

I added the links to the Wiki wireless BOMs.

Cheers

Rick R.

Title: Re: BOM
Post by: RJ on July 13, 2009,

Thanks!

RJ