DiyLightAnimation
Fun => The Porch => Topic started by: bdk197 on March 20, 2010,
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Just a note to anyone else that might be looking at these little 3 channel (RGB) DMX controllers:
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-3-channel-DC12V-DMX-module-Strip-for-LED_W0QQitemZ280475787856QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item414da8e250 (http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-3-channel-DC12V-DMX-module-Strip-for-LED_W0QQitemZ280475787856QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item414da8e250)
I got 4 of them and although they work really good with the Lynx Dongle and Vixen what isn't listed in the ebay description is that they are set to DMX address #1. They are soft strapped in some way via the DMX input and according to the vendor their address editor is needed and cost $124 shipping included. (alot for a $9 board that I'll probably only ever change addresses on 1 time).. If you want the address set to something else supposedly they will set it if you specify.
I haven't found anything yet that might allow me to change the address via the PC.
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I saw these dmx/RGB strips since few months now en Ebay too...
Can you tell us the ref of the chip used ?
This can helps to have a better idea of the kind of protocol used...
Cheers, Henri
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I saw these dmx/RGB strips since few months now en Ebay too...
Can you tell us the ref of the chip used ?
This can helps to have a better idea of the kind of protocol used...
Cheers, Henri
If I'm reading it right the chip being used is a SyncMOS SM894051C253P.
They fail to mention the need of their address editor in their ebay listing as well and are not responding to my request to get these pre-addressed. Since they work good from the Lynx dongle my thought leads toward being able to readdress them if I had the proper data stream to somehow shoot at them.
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I heard back from snowball-co and was given a Unit price: USD 41.05 for the Model: LN -DMXID-EDITOR, Unit price: USD 6.00 for the LN -DMXBAR-3CH-LV?L=5/6/12/24?and 25.00 for shipping.
I've built up one light so far as my prototype using one of these boards and a RGB LED MR-16 replacement board sold by bigclive.com that illuminates a 6 inch white acrylic globe. The result looks pretty nice. Had 4 of these in the display last year with a single green MR-16 LED inside controlled from a D-Light DCx16. The RGB version uses 3 each color superflux LEDs and is a lot brighter than the single MR16 plus gives me the RGB ability. I've done some quick testing with Vixen and am very pleased with the results so far.
I did a quick video on the prototype using the Lynx Dongle and driving the dmx with WinAMP and DMX Control:
www.keenlights.info/testvideo.asp (http://www.keenlights.info/testvideo.asp)
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Humm...
I saw the chip can be programmed by "Hi-Low" & "Top" programmer, who are in most cases universal programmers (i have a TOP 2048, since few years...).
Having to modules with 2 different adress could help, but i'm quite sure the chip is code protected and not readeable.
Even if the modul works perfectly, it's crazy to manufacture such solution for few $, taking the user as hostage to sell 10 times more $, the programmer who will be used once.
In such case, the dealer needed to have this own programmer and ask user the desired DMX adress before shipment and deal: Honnesty...
This is not clearly mentionned and for sure, this faillure will probably cancel most of expected deals, or the product objective is more for OEM integrators who needs to have their development tools, something who seems relevant in this case.
The real only solution will be to buy at gold price, the programmer/editor from the manufacturer...
Some times "cheapest" is the front face, but "underground" wants your money... (same example as printers who are very low expensive, but what about the ink cartridges pricing?).
I wanted also to get some, but now regarding your experience, i'm totally iced...
I will be back to 'Lynx SSR moduls', better for me as they have 4 channels (RGBW), for my building running project of this year.
Cheers.... Henri
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Was just looking at that device last night.
Thanks for the additional information.
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Here is one translation of the 6803s IC
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ledb2b.cn%2Fbiz%2Fsell0902%2FS18_07222.asp
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fcn.made-in-china.com%2Fshowroom%2Fkingwayk%2Fproduct-detailLevxEAuTjUkn%2F%25E7%2581%25AF%25E5%2585%2589%25E6%258E%25A7%25E5%2588%25B6%25E9%25A9%25B1%25E5%258A%25A8%25E8%258A%25AF%25E7%2589%2587%25EF%25BC%2588LPD6803S%25EF%25BC%2589.html
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Just got four 6 inch globe lights completed using the open board version of these. Here's a quick test video of all 4 running on seperate DMX addresses. Using DMXcontrol and Winamp to drive them in this video.
http://www.vimeo.com/10931195 (http://www.vimeo.com/10931195)
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Very Cool , How you guys do it I'll never know GREAT JOB.
JEFF
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Now all you need to do is put a serial port monitor and "reverse" engineer what is being sent to change the unit ID... It is silly for th company to sell you the software to make more than one device work on the same network!!! ::)
<yk..
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Now all you need to do is put a serial port monitor and "reverse" engineer what is being sent to change the unit ID... It is silly for th company to sell you the software to make more than one device work on the same network!!! ::)
<yk..
You dont "HAVE" to order the Editing device, Snowball will allow you to specify the addresses you want when you order. With these units, the editor is a physical unit and not just software.
Now I just ordered my first test unit to address 4. We'll see if I get a unit with address 4 when it comes.
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Both places I got them from would pre-address them at no extra cost. I too like the flexibility the editor gives me. It would be nice if the eBay seller would include the need of the editor in the description. Snowball was much better priced for the exact same item. It only takes seconds to readdress them.
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I didn't realize that you could order them pre-programmed. What did you pay per board with the programming?
I ordered 50 units so I thought that the $41 was peanuts for the flexibility. I can't imagine that it would take much effort to reverse engineer the protocol used to program these units.
No extra cost, just make sure you make it clear as DMX addressing is not understood my everyone there. For 50 units, I would get the editor also. For the 10 I need....nah...LOL
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Check out http://www.lck-led.com/p506/5M-Digital-Ultra-Slim-SMD-RGB-Flexible-Led-Strip/product_info.html. The sight lists the LED strip and provide the DMX controller. Where else can you purchase the RGB flexible strip that would work with the DMX controller?
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I really like the concept David! Thanks for sharing the video.
Is that 12VDC over 6 wires? Can you elaborate?
John
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Gotcha...
Any design specs on the star David? I didn't see on your website.
John
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OF course, they are out of stock on the 3 LED strips. ugh!!
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OF course, they are out of stock on the 3 LED strips. ugh!!
Crap..hopefully he is getting more in stock. I dont really want to order through snowball.
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I am interested in a few of these controllers and lights - I think a group purchase may be the best for shipping from China - I would be more then willing to organize it if there is interest. Going DMX and all RGB will be a BIG move the next few years.
Harrison
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And here is a Coro NorthStar with the same DMX controllers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iJGT14IJ0E
That is sharp looking. Does the price include everything?
Ron
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Lets keep business off the forums please.
RJ
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Sorry, I misunderstood. Thought this was one of your items.
RJ
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That is sharp looking. Does the price include everything?
$70 for 5050 RGB strip
$56 for controllers
$20 for coro
$5 for misc parts (cat5, wire, staples)
Thank you for the reply. Can you post pictures of the star (lights and controller). I am very interested in this project. The video looks awesome but I can not see the circuit and lights. I would like to see pictures of your star. Mainly to see what it is you have. It looks like it could be used in many show applications. I have read and went back through this thread. I would like to know what exactly to buy, where and how it hooks up to DMX. I see tons of 5050 stuff on Ebay etc. Power supply is no problem either. Mainly the controllers and how they are hooked up.
Thank you so much!
Ron
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Nice Looking North Star.
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Has anyone use LSP with the 3-channel DMX module controller? What controller type did you add to LSP and how did you configure it?
When I add RGB wall wash and set to use Enttec DMX Pro/Lynx, it doesn't work in test mode or output mode.
When I add a DMX Pro Universe, the first three channels work perfectly in test mode, but during playback with output, only two colors display. I am toggling channel 1-3 on and off.
Just curious what others have tried.
Michael
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One thing I find playing with LSP that seems a pain and I really do not understand the reasoning behind is that when for example you add a RGB universe. You must go to each channel and right click choose configure track, then go to the DMX tab and check use intensity 0 - 255 before the channel will work correct ?????
I do not understand this massive amount of work with large channel counts. Should they not default to use intensity?
I am unfamiliar with DMX that does not use intensity??? Must be a LOR version of DMX kinda of thing.
The reason I mention this is that like you I could not get it to work correctly either til I found this out.
RJ
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Thanks RJ. Making that additional configeration changed worked. LSP works, but many workarounds you need to deal with.
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Must be a LOR version of DMX kinda of thing.
Even that isn't true. LOR uses the DMX values when doing DMX things. It is just weird for LSP to do that.
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RJ
Likely one of the best hidden features, the reset channel defaults button, even though it looks greyed out, will allow you reset all the channels to the DMX defaults. See attached screen shot.
I agree that this is a extra un-needed step, but at least it is easier than doing each channel by hand.
Cheers
Phil
One thing I find playing with LSP that seems a pain and I really do not understand the reasoning behind is that when for example you add a RGB universe. You must go to each channel and right click choose configure track, then go to the DMX tab and check use intensity 0 - 255 before the channel will work correct ?????
I do not understand this massive amount of work with large channel counts. Should they not default to use intensity?
RJ
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Great info Phil. But the part I do not understand is that if that resets it to the default what changed it from default when I setup the controller.
In other words, Add a new DMX universe you expect default settings. But in this case in LSP it is set to not have intensity levels. So I assume this is the default. but since I tryed your button and it did set them all to use intensity then that makes you would think that is the default ?????? ???
Btw David .... Greyed buttons are suppose to mean unavaliable..... So one slap with a wet noodle for you buddy. ;D
But anyways no matter, Your tip is worth gold thanks. Some day I will get a chance to learn LSP and maybe even use it! ;D
RJ
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Thanks for the tip... RJ i agree it is a PITA having to change each channel. You will learn, patience my friend. also if you check Vimeo, Mike Mulvenna has some video tutorials set up that really help.
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the button is no longer greyed out in version 1.8
<yk..
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And where do I find ver 1.8? I've looked everywhere.
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I have 1.7.10199.1632 and the "updater" in the LightShowPro program folder says no update available.
I'll try again tomorrow.
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1.8 is still in Beta testing
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I have a 77 MB music file (55 minutes long) - would I be able to import this song and the software build the wave file? Does anyone have any experience with a music file of this length in LSP?
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There are definetly limitations to the length of the song that you use in LSP. I remember a post over at LSP that i couldnt find that had issues with loading a large, long song into LSP. Best place to ask this question is over at the LSP forums