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Title: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: Dennis Cherry on November 18, 2010,
Tonight I did some testing of my Lynx system using the wireless.

Let me explain my configuration.

Computer to IDMX > wireless & direct connect.

Turning on a few channels in both wireless and direct connect controllers, I noticed the wireless controllers occasionally would see a flash but not the direct connect controllers.

Looking closer at the flash I noticed that the channel that was on would go off for a fraction of a second and the channel number below would flash on during that time. It happened on all the wireless channels that where steady on.

I have 2 RX's running. one with a single LE5 and the other with 2 LE5s', all did the flash at the same time but no flash on the direct connect controllers.

With all channels off there is no problems, only when channels are turned on.

I need some suggestions, Tomorrow night will try the Lynx Dongle but do not think that will make any difference as the direct connect controllers do not have the flash problem.

Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: jnealand on November 18, 2010,
I have a somewhat similar problem.  V4 LE  no problems in wired mode.  In wireless mode, using V2 transmitter either a V1 or V2 EXRX I get occasional flashes.  This is how I can see them consistently.  LE set for 001.  Bring up vixen and invoke test channels.  all on and all off show everything ok.  I click on chan 1 only and then use my keyboard down arrow to walk thru the channels one at a time.  some of the channels flassh flash after going to the next higher channel.  ie. move from 8 to 9 and 8 flashes.  move from 12 to 13 and 12 flashes, etc.  I have updated all my LEs and all my wireless to the latest firmware, but maybe I should do it again, but in wired mode everything works with no problems.
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: Jeffl on November 18, 2010,
I noticed something similar but I only seen the LED on channel  ( I think 16)  flash.  Wired I have not seen any ill effects.
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: RJ on November 18, 2010,
Something I will have to look at but not able to right away.

RJ
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: ron d on November 19, 2010,
I had a similar issue last year and it was also in the standalone receivers. only one transmitter did it and luckily i had a backup.
The version 2 standalones  all worked perfect as  tx and rx.
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: Dennis Cherry on November 19, 2010,
I will also try my second transmitter, forgot that in my testing last night.

My flash just comes on the lower channel even if I did not previously turned it on.  

It is definitely being transmitted.

RX 1 has channels 001-032

RX 2 has 81-96

And I see the same flash in sync on both receivers.

Update:

I just thought of another item to try. In 2008 LOR had an issue like this even on direct connection and it turned out to be the USB cable.  Many users had to find a better quality USB cable with ferrite beads.  I am using one with a single ferrite bead and will try a different cable tonight .
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: Dennis Cherry on November 21, 2010,
More testing today.

Started the test again using the same equipment again, Flashing started a few seconds after turning on one or various channels.

No pattern could be established.  Wiggled, bumped, and shaked everything to no avail.

Put the second transmitter in and still the same flashing.

All direct connect units where rock solid during all the testing.

It looks like the DMX output from the transmitter is going out of sync.

Could it be a power supply problem?  using a 6 volt DC  360ma Wall wort.

Did notice the more the TX was on it looked like the flashing would  be less random.
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: Rainlover on November 21, 2010,
I was having some flashing and flickering with wireless until I moved the transmitter to a higher spot.

John
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: RJ on November 22, 2010,
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More testing today.

Started the test again using the same equipment again, Flashing started a few seconds after turning on one or various channels.

No pattern could be established.  Wiggled, bumped, and shaked everything to no avail.

Put the second transmitter in and still the same flashing.

All direct connect units where rock solid during all the testing.

It looks like the DMX output from the transmitter is going out of sync.

Could it be a power supply problem?  using a 6 volt DC  360ma Wall wort.

Did notice the more the TX was on it looked like the flashing would  be less random.


Any chance you have interference from other transmitters like wifi. Try a different universe and see what you find.

RJ
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: Dennis Cherry on November 22, 2010,
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More testing today.

Started the test again using the same equipment again, Flashing started a few seconds after turning on one or various channels.

No pattern could be established.  Wiggled, bumped, and shaked everything to no avail.

Put the second transmitter in and still the same flashing.

All direct connect units where rock solid during all the testing.


It looks like the DMX output from the transmitter is going out of sync.

Could it be a power supply problem?  using a 6 volt DC  360ma Wall wort.

Did notice the more the TX was on it looked like the flashing would  be less random.


Any chance you have interference from other transmitters like wifi. Try a different universe and see what you find.

RJ

Do you mean change the TX & RX to channel 2 or 3?

The TX is 6 feet off the ground and the RX's are only 50-75 feet away 2 feet off the ground, they are in direct line of site with the TX.
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: rm357 on November 22, 2010,
My megatree went up today (yea) and I ran into some similar problems. I put a receiver in the DMX SSR4 that I used in the top of the tree for the star/strobes and it had all kinds of issues. I pulled out the RX unit and ran a wire from the express below and it seems to have solved the issues. I'm wondering if the version 2 receiver draws too much power to be used with the DMX SSR4...  ???

Issues:
 - Lower channel flashing (like the DMX transmission lost the first byte of the DMX packet)
 - All Channels blinking off for a bit then coming back on
 - After a while, the DMX SSR4 would just quit responding at all

Right now everything seems to be fine running with the DMX RX in the express.

RM

Also - all my TX and RX are V2.
RM
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: Made2Rock on November 24, 2010,
I had the same basic problem but got it fixed.

I have 1 Tx and 2 Rx all v2. One Rx was having major issues with Random Hiccups (flashes, freezing, jumping display). I was also on uni3. The computer was in the back of the house and the Rx were 30' and 60' away with the further one having 90% of the issues. I moved the computer to the front of the house and it seemed to help. I then moved the Tx to a window and that seemed to also help. A little while later the Tx fell to the floor without my knowledge and I again had problems. Fustrated I went and changed to Uni1 and switched the Rx furthest way and the Tx (now I found it on the floor). The Tx was now hung up over a Surround speaker so I would see it if something happened to it!!! My problem was now solved and I have sat thru an hour or so watching it and did not see any problems. One other issue here is both my wife and I do use AT&T cell phones which can do interfer with electronics and 2 laptops and a router running wifi
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: Dennis Cherry on November 26, 2010,
Been out of town and just go back this afternoon.

Disappointed in the replies about mine and others problem with the shift of the DMX occasionally get.

I really did not see a resolution worth trying.

So with that, the wireless will be pulled from the system.
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: RJ on November 26, 2010,
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Been out of town and just go back this afternoon.

Disappointed in the replies about mine and others problem with the shift of the DMX occasionally get.

I really did not see a resolution worth trying.

So with that, the wireless will be pulled from the system.


Sorry you are unhappy.

I am unable to look at it at this time. I have units that did not show this issue and I have checked with a number of users to see if this is a global issue. The users I checked with have them running and are not having this. so I have users with issue and users without.

Wireless can have Enviromental issues effect them so it might be impossible for me to duplicate your problem.

This is why I recommended you try the other channels (Universes) to see if you are delaing with local interference from a RF source.

I might have missed it but I did not catch you saying you had tried this. I did miss the question you posted if that is what I meant.

Yes I meant for you to try uni2 and uni3 to see if the problem goes away.

RJ
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: Jeffl on November 26, 2010,
I have had my hands full with other issues but I think three things are important with this.

1).  The transmitter works best when it's mounted up high and away from other objects of interference.

2).  The receiver works best when mounted up high.

3). Keep everything in line of sight of transmitter and receiver.

Number one is easy to fix.  Number two just isn't that easy to correct because you want them to be out of site.
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: Dennis Cherry on November 26, 2010,
I understand how RF works. Got my formal training in long range radar, worked in the M.A.R.S. program in the Air Force (Just like the amateur radio organization) and also worked in GMRS equipment.

I did not try the Ini2 or ini3 options due to being out of town, was hoping some else having the same trouble would have tried it and reported the results.

I know everyone is busy with their displays, so sorry if I am a little upset.

Will try again with the wireless tomorrow. Already way behind with my display.



Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: Made2Rock on November 26, 2010,
Dennis,

  I had a few issues to start but once I got it running it has been rock solid. Like others I was running short on time and did multiple things at once so I can not tell you what fixed my issue. I posted everything in my previous post so that you could see it all including items sure as our cell phones are AT&T and we do have a wireless router running in the house.

Let me add one new fact. We have been having trouble lately with the wireless router in the house but I didn't have time to look into it. Now that I out of town visiting family I find the computers have no trouble using wireless so mine at home has issues (and the thing is about a 1 1/2 yrs old).

Good luck, hope this helped.

RJ, I had issues but once fixed I did a good hour video and have seen it all and there was no a single hiccup during that hour. So my problems where most likely not the equipment (I did swap a Tx and a Rx).

Joe
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: smartcontrols on November 26, 2010,
Not sure this is related to the issues above, But will throw in my experience too. I have a TX mounted 10 feet up, 1 LE v5 with ex/rx about 2 feet up, 1 LE v5 with another ex/rx, 1 LE v3 with another ex/rx. All units terminated and about the same distance from the TX, but in different directions. Both LE v5s were set to wireless the v3 had the rs485 chip pulled. Both LE v5s would have channels flash at the same time. I could not catch the v3 do it. I pulled the rs485 chips out of both v5s and have not been able to catch the v5s flashing now. At this time all looks good with the rs485 chip out of all of them.

Might be something to try.

-Jeff
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: batdive on November 27, 2010,
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Not sure this is related to the issues above, But will throw in my experience too. I have a TX mounted 10 feet up, 1 LE v5 with ex/rx about 2 feet up, 1 LE v5 with another ex/rx, 1 LE v3 with another ex/rx. All units terminated and about the same distance from the TX, but in different directions. Both LE v5s were set to wireless the v3 had the rs485 chip pulled. Both LE v5s would have channels flash at the same time. I could not catch the v3 do it. I pulled the rs485 chips out of both v5s and have not been able to catch the v5s flashing now. At this time all looks good with the rs485 chip out of all of them.

Might be something to try.

-Jeff

Well I will through my hat into this one as running a test sequence my neighbor and I had the same effect as Dennis, one channel lower would flash for a millisecond or so as the sequence would continue.  Funny is this did not show when we ran a true sequence with music and such.  Not sure what the difference was and we had this same set up for halloween.  That show ran nightly and we did not see any glitches.

Jeff thanks for the input I will give the RS485 chip a try.  Would that be the same if you had the input coming from a stand alone RX?  I swapped to that as I was doing some glitch testinglast night.


-JS
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: smartcontrols on November 27, 2010,
With the stand alone RX connected to an LE you would need to leave the RS485 chip in and the "remove for wireless" jumper on. I did not test it with the stand alone RX. None of my stand alone RXs are connected to LE's. I did not notice any issues with them flashing, but I was not looking for it on them.  If I get time today I will try to reproduce it on them.

In yesterdays checking I did try putting the chip back in and the flashing returned, so I left the chip out permanently. I also have not tried the DMX OUT 2 on them, but I would expect it to work fine, as I am following the same instructions that we use to run wireless on the LE version 3 that does not have the "remove for wireless" jumper.

-Jeff
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: Dennis Cherry on November 27, 2010,
Looks like a fix is found, would like to hear from RJ on removing the RS-485 chip fix.

Will try this tonight.
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: RJ on November 27, 2010,
Try it I have no reference since I had not seen this and it will not hurt anything.


RJ
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: Rainlover on November 28, 2010,
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Not sure this is related to the issues above, But will throw in my experience too. I have a TX mounted 10 feet up, 1 LE v5 with ex/rx about 2 feet up, 1 LE v5 with another ex/rx, 1 LE v3 with another ex/rx. All units terminated and about the same distance from the TX, but in different directions. Both LE v5s were set to wireless the v3 had the rs485 chip pulled. Both LE v5s would have channels flash at the same time. I could not catch the v3 do it. I pulled the rs485 chips out of both v5s and have not been able to catch the v5s flashing now. At this time all looks good with the rs485 chip out of all of them.

Might be something to try.

-Jeff

I was just rereading this topic to try to find a solution to random flashing and saw Jeff's post saying all units terminated. Does this mean that all units have the terminate jumper on?

John
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: Dennis Cherry on November 28, 2010,
Update:

Tonight I pulled the DMX chips off the 2 RX units, left the DMX2 chip alone.

Made sure the units with the RX units had the Terminate jumper on.

Fire up the system and turn on channels on both RX networks and the direct connect controllers.  I used the Blue LED channels, the channels below the Blue are the Green LED's

About 10 seconds I saw a flash wait and took some time before another flash was observed.

Took the TX unit and oriented the antenna parallel to the RX antennas.  It seemed to help but still got a few random flashes.

Tomorrow night will try the IN2  & IN3 settings, got to dark to crawl in the bushes to change the jumpers.

Look like I will try running the display wireless unless the flashes mess up the sequences to much.

Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: ThaiWay on November 28, 2010,
Last year I had the same problem with Random Flashes, using TX, RX, EX/RX's... on LE's (v2 & v3,) MR16, OL's from RX.  By the time I had everything running it was less than two weeks before pull down, so I gave up and chalked the problem up to - maybe - my Lynx Splitter.  My setup was:

Dongle > Splitter > TX > LE's with EX/RX, MR16 with EX/RX, and RX > OL & LE
Dongle > Splitter > wired OL's and LE's

The Random Flashes occurred system wide and regardless of distance from the Splitter or whether a controller was wired or wireless.  That's why I considered the Splitter to be the culprit.                       

This year, without using a Splitter, I have the same behavior, and with - so far - only one LE with EX/RX operational.    The TX is high in a window 9m up, with direct line of sight to the EX/RX 12m away.  The TX is a good 3m away from my pc with wired NIC, and 7m higher than the Wireless Router on the ground floor.  The TX and EX/RX planes are parallel.

The Random Flashes usually occur on the "previous" channel to the one that is active; i.e. if channel 189 is on, it's channel 188 that flashes... and also usually very close to the "on" time of the active channel.

I'll play around some more with this tonight , with the first step to run a cat5 from the Dongle to the LE.
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: RJ on November 29, 2010,
Make sure you are all running the current firmware that I released to take care of some issues.  In both you TX and you RX units. Ver1 and ver2

RJ
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: Dennis Cherry on November 29, 2010,
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Make sure you are all running the current firmware that I released to take care of some issues.  In both you TX and you RX units. Ver1 and ver2

RJ

RJ that brings up the question of the V2 units.

Was there any firmware up date for the V2 units since the group buy?

I know about the V1/V2 compatible update.

Does the V1/V2 compatible update fix this issue?

I have not touched the firmware from the group buy.
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: Jeffl on November 29, 2010,
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Make sure you are all running the current firmware that I released to take care of some issues.  In both you TX and you RX units. Ver1 and ver2

RJ

Is there a link?
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: ThaiWay on November 29, 2010,
In the Wiki:  http://diylightanimation.com/wiki/index.php?title=Equipment#DMX_Wireless_Devices

Look under each device for the link to the firmware.
Title: Random Flashes Update
Post by: ThaiWay on November 29, 2010,
As expected, hardwiring my gear worked flawlessly:

Dongle > OL > OL > LEv2 > LEv2 > LEv3 > LEv3(terminated.)  All of this running a 60sec looped Vixen sequence stepping four colors on/off for 15 sec each.

Then I inserted the Splitter between the Dongle and first OL... no Random Flashes.

Plugged TXv1 into Splitter, RXv1 into last LE.  Some Random Flashes and Hiccups (a brief flicker) observed on the LE, however not as frequent as last night; all wired controllers normal.

Reflashed TX and RX with v2 compatible firmware from the Wik; a significant improvement was noted in the frequency of flashes/hiccups, but still noticeable.   

Tomorrow I'll pull a couple chips and reinsert newly flashed EX/Rx's(v1) and see what happens.
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: RJ on November 29, 2010,
Ther is no update to the V2 since the coop but if you are running V1 stuff it should be updated to the newer compatiable mode.

RJ
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: zman on December 02, 2010,
Guys, I am seeing the flashing issue and am in the process of updating the firmware on all the wireless to the new ver1-2 compatible right now.

Question. With the wireless router in the house, I had moved it to channel 6 quite a few weeks ago, and still had the flashing. Without testing (that will come tonight) is there any reason to NOT move all wireless to Uni 3? Would that further separate the house router and Lynx Wireless?

Sorry if that was sort of a dumb question.
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: Dennis Cherry on December 02, 2010,
Well up and running last night.

Ran 2 sequences and could not tell if any flashes occurred.

To much action going on in the display. So will leave the 3 RX units in the display set to UN1.

Thanks for all the help coming up with possible fixes. We have learned what to do and not do in using the wireless units.

Have fun and enjoy your display and people you will meet.
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: RJ on December 03, 2010,
I should have our show up by the end of the weekend so I can see if I am having any issues with it. Our whole show (about 400 channels of DMX) is wireless (Except the Smart String Mega Tree) so it will be a great test. If I can replicate the issues then I will be able to work on them.

RJ
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: Dennis Cherry on December 03, 2010,
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I should have our show up by the end of the weekend so I can see if I am having any issues with it. Our whole show (about 400 channels of DMX) is wireless (Except the Smart String Mega Tree) so it will be a great test. If I can replicate the issues then I will be able to work on them.

RJ

Ran the show last night, and did see a couple of flashes happen. I noticed them but the other people had no idea it was flashing the lower channel lights from the what was on.

Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: batdive on December 03, 2010,
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I should have our show up by the end of the weekend so I can see if I am having any issues with it. Our whole show (about 400 channels of DMX) is wireless (Except the Smart String Mega Tree) so it will be a great test. If I can replicate the issues then I will be able to work on them.

RJ

RJ we found a great test sequences that shows this easy a fade of colors. IE 2 seconds of one color, then next color, then next...etc.  Since your whole house is up on one color makes it easy to see the lower ch flash that way and pretty quick to set up.

Hope that helps as we are still seeing it in our show, our next check is to move the TX so it hangs from the tree instead of being mounted against it.

-JS
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: jnealand on December 03, 2010,
I'm still getting flashes as well and thinking about running cat5 but still have a couple of sequences to tweak first.  Priorities!!!  Got the mega tree up and running yesterday and ran the show with 4 songs last night for the first time.  My transmitter (and show computer) is inside the house in a closet which is on an outside wall.  I get good signal everywhere including on my roof and all the way to the end of my house by the garage which has no line of site to the wall where the tx is located.  I am using a V2 transmitter.  Could not do this last year with a V1 tx so this is a great improvement.  I get the flashes on the LEs that are located 10 - 15 ft away from the location of the transmitter and everything is oriented with the antenna pointing up.  The only wires coming from inside the house to outside are two speaker wires.
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: tpctech on December 03, 2010,
Hi, 
Most of my show has been up since this past Wednesday.  I have 2 wireless SSR-4 using the header connection method.  Both units are on the ground and less then 100ft from the TX which is out in the middle of the yard.  Both units have just quit working about each day.  If you yurn off the AC power and back on they will work again.  I have no problem with 15 wired SSR-4 and misc LE's  Any thoughts

KEN   
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: RJ on December 05, 2010,
Do you have good power to them. The SSR4 can not tolerant the line voltage dropping to much so put a seperate feed on them and see if this fixes it.

RJ
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: RJ on December 05, 2010,
Ok,

So I got to run some test shows this evening. Here is what I found.

We have about 400 channels of Lynx wireless DMX running as a mix of Ex/RX and RX units.

Many on ssr4's many on Expresses and a standalone rx.

The receivers are a mix of Ver1 and Ver2 the TX is a Ver 2 unit. They all are running the current version of the firmware.

I also can catch a channel flash every once in a while during the show. It is not very noticable because the show is running. Is it enough for me to go cabled?  Heck No!

Is it something I will be working on during the show season to remove Sure!

Not sure if I every will get it perfect but that was never expected. I think I can get it close enough that no one will be able to tell it is not as long as the equipment is used within expect specs.

No putting it on the ground or inside brick homes ect.

Also if anyone want to know our longest wireless link is about 150 ft or so.

RJ 
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: batdive on December 05, 2010,
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I also can catch a channel flash every once in a while during the show. It is not very noticeably because the show is running. Is it enough for me to go cabled?  Heck No!

Also if anyone want to know our longest wireless link is about 150 ft or so.

RJ 

Speaking of the above, sounds like you are seeing the same.

BTW, not sure if anyone has tried it, but works great when running multiple houses.  I rebroadcast uni 1 through uni 3 to extend the range and worked nice =)

Any chance of a "cheap" signal strength Lynx meter to plot out the best place to put a TX and such?



Also with the "random" flash, most people from what I have seen cant tell if it is part of the show or not, so it basically goes unnoticed.


-JS
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: tpctech on December 05, 2010,
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Do you have good power to them. The SSR4 can not tolerant the line voltage dropping to much so put a seperate feed on them and see if this fixes it.

RJ

We got a bunch of snow today and was working on the rest of the display.  I will check the AC voltage out at the SSR's tomorrow evening.

The 2 SSR are running a total of 8 100 lite incand strings.  The feed is about 100ft of 16-3  that is fed from my power distro box in the middle of the yard the distro box is fed with 10-4 on 30 amp dedicated circuit.


Thanks

KEN

Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: joshuashu on December 05, 2010,
I too have  noticed a flash every once in awhile. The other thing i noticed is i have had to unplug my MR 16 and replug it in to get the wireless back on, but only for the MR 16. I have had to do this twice since thanksgiving.
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: RJ on December 12, 2010,
Ok since I was able to get equipment setup and start working on this I have been able to develop an updated beta firmware for the the Ver 2 stuff only at this point. Once it is tested and found to do the job I will port it to the Ver 1 compatable firmware.


Heres the tough one, Who has a show that has the issue of random flashes that can test this for me. I will not be able to test it in the show till next weekend.

If someone is willing here is the beta. I have had great success with it in the bench where I can repeatable duplicate the channel drop any time now on the current firmware. I can not cause it on this firmware. It will just stop updating if the signal is totally lost.

Someone that it is easy to do try it and let me know your findings as soon as you can so I can start on the Ver 1 firmware to match.

This firmware should be installed on your TX and your Ver 2 RX and EX/RX units. It is not compatible with older firmwares. so you need to have all ver2 stuff to test.

I hope there is someone like that I have a mix myself.

RJ
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: batdive on December 12, 2010,
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Ok since I was able to get equipment setup and start working on this I have been able to develop an updated beta firmware for the the Ver 2 stuff only at this point. Once it is tested and found to do the job I will port it to the Ver 1 compatable firmware.


Heres the tough one, Who has a show that has the issue of random flashes that can test this for me. I will not be able to test it in the show till next weekend.

If someone is willing here is the beta. I have had great success with it in the bench where I can repeatable duplicate the channel drop any time now on the current firmware. I can not cause it on this firmware. It will just stop updating if the signal is totally lost.

Someone that it is easy to do try it and let me know your findings as soon as you can so I can start on the Ver 1 firmware to match.

This firmware should be installed on your TX and your Ver 2 RX and EX/RX units. It is not compatible with older firmwares. so you need to have all ver2 stuff to test.

I hope there is someone like that I have a mix myself.

RJ

RJ I can throw it on my stuff and give it a test.  Will let you know.  And thanks for the update considering how busy you have been..  

-JS
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: batdive on December 12, 2010,
Well been staring at our neighborhood test sequence... white...red...green...blue...white....LOL.

I made sure to fire it up prior to the firmware update and saw two glitches in less than 2 minutes.

Flashed everything and ..


Been staring at it for approx. 10 minutes without a glitch.  That was for the first leg, I wont get a chance to see the 2nd wireless jump until tonight (which exaggerated the glitch, because it would receive on uni 1 and re tx on uni 3).

Looks like you have a winner RJ.... <res.

Thanks for the update and I'll see if anything changes tonight during the show.


-JS

Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: Dennis Cherry on December 12, 2010,
I will try it tomorrow night.

Thanks RJ.
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: RJ on December 12, 2010,
Great guys I will be  <pop..

RJ
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: RJ on December 12, 2010,
Ok this is the REALLY BETA version of the Ver 1 receiver firmware. Use it in your ver 1 RX and EX/RX units. I have not even had this in a unit do to not having the ability to so if someone can throw this on a ver 1 and test so I know it works. This will be all we need as the ver1 TX will not need an update.

RJ

p.s.  N1ist (Mike) thanks again for the DMX grid it was a lifesaver working on this glitch once I got it where I could replicate it reliably. I could watch the whole 512 channels at the same time on the bench for any errors.
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: ThaiWay on December 13, 2010,
Flashed a v1 RX with this firmware, and noticed two random flashes within the first five minutes... always on the channel number just below the current (on) channel.  Not better (or worse) than before.  Will report later after I flash a v1 EX/RX.

John
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: Dennis Cherry on December 13, 2010,
By George, or Robert we might have it.

Flashed the wireless chips and installed, everything came up fine and noticed the Green Data LED lights have a more consistent rythum.

Stood outside watching my whole show and did not see one flash or freezes up.

I am wireless again.

Thanks RJ, will keep you posted if I do see something unusual.
 
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: RJ on December 13, 2010,
Updated the wireless firmware today on all the receivers in our show(Lots). After they decided not to change out the Main Transformer at the Sheriffs Office so I had some freed up time to do it today.  Three shows tonight not one glitch. Solid as wired with over 400 channels and spread across the yard.

Mix of ver 1 and 2 on Express and SSR4's using a ver 2 TX of course.

RJ
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: batdive on December 13, 2010,
Two nights of watching our neighborhood one and no problems seen..

Thanks RJ, awesome work as usual.


JS
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: RJ on December 13, 2010,
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Two nights of watching our neighborhood one and no problems seen..

Thanks RJ, awesome work as usual.


JS

Thats enought endorsments for me.

Rick if you would be so kind as to replace the wireless firmware with these two. The ver 1 transmitter firmware is ok but the Ver 2 firmware and the compatable firmware for Ver 1 receivers need replaced.

We will consider this the new final firmware for the wireless units. I recommend all users update to this for an slightly less blinky show.

RJ
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: Blackbeard on December 14, 2010,
Clarification needed one more time.

Are the only devices affected just the RX and TX devices? Are the EX/RX devices OK, either with the old or new firmware?

Is the original TX firmware still valid if only channel one is the only one being used?
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: batdive on December 14, 2010,
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Clarification needed one more time.

Are the only devices affected just the RX and TX devices? Are the EX/RX devices OK, either with the old or new firmware?

Is the original TX firmware still valid if only channel one is the only one being used?

Per RJ only thing not affected is the ver 1 TX.  I flashed my EX RX along w ver 2 TX and RXs and they work great now.  All our neighborhood stuff is ver 2. 

JS
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: RJ on December 14, 2010,
Two nights with not a flaw. I would say the wireless in the yard is as clean as my cabled show every was.

RJ
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: wbuehler on December 14, 2010,
Too cold to update firmware...
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: zman on December 15, 2010,
Hey guys, question. I reflashed my Tx/Rx (V1.2) with the new firmware. I am using a Standalone Tx (V1.2)

When I plugged in the first  LE (v5) with the updated wireless, the data link was not solid rather strobing. I don't remember that. This one happens to be on my roof, so it was my first to do, and would be my hardest to get to after dark.

Is that normal?
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: Dennis Cherry on December 15, 2010,
Yes, mine strobe also. That look better than the old flicker which was erratic.
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: zman on December 15, 2010,
Thanks Dennis, doing the fire up test right now.  Show in an hour.
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: zman on December 15, 2010,
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Ok this is the REALLY BETA version of the Ver 1 receiver firmware. Use it in your ver 1 RX and EX/RX units. I have not even had this in a unit do to not having the ability to so if someone can throw this on a ver 1 and test so I know it works. This will be all we need as the ver1 TX will not need an update.

RJ

p.s.  N1ist (Mike) thanks again for the DMX grid it was a lifesaver working on this glitch once I got it where I could replicate it reliably. I could watch the whole 512 channels at the same time on the bench for any errors.

OK, just to ensure I am not off the deep end. This is the firmware I loaded onto my 4 Tx/Rx units. None of them are responding now to my network test.


My Tx was flashed wuith the V1 /V2 compatible firmwware is that the right one to work with the Tx/Rx?
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: bisquit476 on December 15, 2010,
The TXv1 uses different firmware than the TX/RXv2
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: zman on December 15, 2010,
I will have to check to be sure. I had to quickly re-flash them back to the previous state for tonight.
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: RJ on December 15, 2010,
Here is the way it plays.

There is only one version of the TX/RX and this is Ver2 if you have these you use the first firmware I posted for all ver 2 equipment including EX/RX receivers.

If you are using ver 1 stuff you only update the Recievers which are called either RX, or Ex/RX. They get the last firmware I posted that is called ver1 compat.

Now this is the kicker. If you have a Tx (transmitter ver1) and you never updated it to the compatible code I put out when I released the Ver 2 stuff (from the wiki) you need to update to that on the TX unit.

So .... all ver 2 items gets the new ver 2 firmware there is only one for ver 2

all ver 1 receivers get the  firmware posted here for the ver 1

all ver 1 transmitters use the last firmware I put out for them which is in the wiki.

hope this clears it up.

RJ
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: zman on December 15, 2010,
RJ,

I am not sure it does. Sorry if I transposed some letters earlier. Here is what I had tonight that did not work;

Standalone Tx V1.2 with the latest wiki V1/V2 Compatible firmware I even re-flashed it again tonight when issues arose. This has been the same since 12/2 and had been working. 

Ex/Rx V1.2 and using this firmware - Ver1_compatible_receiver 12_12_2012.hex - flashed  today, I had no blinky flashy. I had to go back to the previous Ex/Rx V1/V2 compatible firmware on the Wiki - Ver1_reciever_ver2_compatible,  to get the show running tonight.

Did I miss something in translation?
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: RJ on December 16, 2010,
No let me dig out one of my Ver 1 TX and check it. Maybe I missed somethign in my head that was different. If so I can have the new firmware ready for it tommorow evening.

RJ
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: zman on December 16, 2010,
Thanks RJ! I would be good to not have the random flashing that I am seeing.
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: rm357 on December 16, 2010,
I'm using al v2 stuff.

When I put the TX about 8 ft off the ground with most of the receivers 6 inches to 2 ft above the ground, all of my "lower channel glitches" went away.

I had to pull the RX from the DMX SSR4s - I saw a lot of rebooting with these and never could achieve stable operation. Fortunately I had a second RX/TX that I could set up as a receiver for the units in that part of the yard.

I've got one RX where I replaced the reistors going to the LEDs that I am testing - used 4.7K for the power LED and 1K for the data (my highly scientific methor for selection included looking through the parts box from another project to see what I had on hand and trying them to see the biggest resistor I could use and still be able to see the LED light up). The LEDs work fine, but the RX board is still pulling between 77 and 79 ma, which seems a little high, but I haven't had tme to play with it and I was using the 3 dollar multimeter (not the good one)...
RM
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: wbuehler on December 16, 2010,
Got out an updated firmware for wireless today.

Working great.   <res.
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: Dennis Cherry on December 17, 2010,
4 nights now and the wireless is working great with the new firmware.

All V2 wireless.

Did I Thank You RJ for the update. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: kylec on December 18, 2010,
I'm flicker free!  :D

The place I really noticed it was the Aethers.  If they were on solid for more than 10 seconds or so they would flicker bad.  I haven't seen one flicker yet since updating to the new firmware!  I still have 2 ssr4s with the old firmware and they still flicker.  I will get up on the extension ladder tomorrow and get those ones updated too.

Kyle
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: kylec on December 19, 2010,
It got kind of confusing when I updated with all the firmwares that are out there now so heres a guide.  If you see the picture of the device your updating, use the firmware in that post.....

All version 2 stuff


(http://diylightanimation.com/wiki/images/thumb/9/95/TX_RX_V2.JPG/160px-TX_RX_V2.JPG)(http://diylightanimation.com/wiki/images/thumb/f/fa/EX_RX_V2.JPG/160px-EX_RX_V2.JPG)
http://diylightanimation.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3712.0;attach=4394 (http://diylightanimation.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3712.0;attach=4394)
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: kylec on December 19, 2010,
Version 1 Recievers

(http://diylightanimation.com/wiki/images/thumb/c/c9/Lynx_Receiver.JPG/160px-Lynx_Receiver.JPG)(http://diylightanimation.com/wiki/images/thumb/e/e7/Exrx.jpg/160px-Exrx.jpg)
http://diylightanimation.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3712.0;attach=4460 (http://diylightanimation.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3712.0;attach=4460)
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: kylec on December 19, 2010,
Version 1 Transmitter

(http://diylightanimation.com/wiki/images/thumb/9/95/Tx.jpg/160px-Tx.jpg)
http://diylightanimation.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3712.0;attach=4459 (http://diylightanimation.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3712.0;attach=4459)
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: RJ on December 20, 2010,
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Thanks RJ! I would be good to not have the random flashing that I am seeing.

Zman

Try these. Tx is for the transmitter and the other is for you ver 1 recievers. there will be a long 10 sec delay after start before they start recieving so wait for it.

Let me know as I have not been able to test them.

RJ
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: zman on December 20, 2010,
RJ,

I am just finishing the show for tonight. I will get these flashed tomorrow and tested. THANKS for getting these pumped out!

Mark
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: zman on December 22, 2010,
RJ,

I think we have a winner.

I had one channel, on one of the LEs acting funny right out of the chute. It was flashing a lot by itself, way more than before. After a power off/on, still there.  I actually went in and flashed another Wireless module, and got caught up with some visitors for the display and did not get it put into the box. I then noticed that it was behaving fine all by itself and did not have to put the re-flashed unit in.

After the show tonight, I let channels sit where I could watch them. Not a flicker at all.

I REALLY appreciate you getting that firmware updated.
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: RJ on December 22, 2010,
I do the best I can for one person.  <wd..

RJ
Title: Re: Possible wireless glitch
Post by: basis21b on February 20, 2011,
Have all of the firmware updates attached to postings in this thread been uploaded to the Wiki?  I didn't do the upgrade during the season but would like to get it all done before I put all of my gear in storage.