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Title: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on July 19, 2008,
I am far enough along on this project I felt it was time to put some info out on it.

I am beta testing and working the bugs out of the wireless DMX project. It appears as it will be a successful project and I hope to run all wireless DMX in the show this year.

So far testing has the range at in excess of 1000 ft from my home with the transmitter inside on the workbench.

It also appears that 512 channels at 50ms will work fine.

The transmitter unit appears as if it will run about $55 (maybe less) without a case.

The Reciever that outputs the DMX looks like it will run about $30 without a case.

Both units are really really small.

The recievers put out all 512 channels of the dmx universe and there is no limit to how many recievers you can use.

So it uses one transmitter and how ever many of recievers. Put one where every you do not wish to run cat5.

Think of the Recievers as DMX dongles with out USB cables. they work the same way they make dmx but do not need to be connected to the computer.

They will have RJ45 outputs just like the dongle but no USB jacks so they will retrofit to all the current DMX equipment on DLA.

There is a new Plugin for vixen that I created to make this all work and it just drops in the plugin folder of vixen and then you change you seqence to use it instead of the enttec DMX plugin to use the wireless system.

I can not say when it will be ready for public release but I can say I expect to be using it in the show this year as a beta test. If testing in the coming months go well it may be made availiable for a few beta testers for this year and most likely fully released after xmas and the real testing has completed if all works well as I expect.

Hope this fills in some of the holes.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: knguyen916 on July 19, 2008,
omg you did not post this  :'( I WANT IT. Geez. GJ. Glad to hear it's working out nicely
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: KeithTarpley on July 19, 2008,
Greetings,

Okay, let's get the pleasantries out of the way.  Beta Tester!  (or not...)

Actually could use this, but how many universes can be run in parallel?  Ah, hah!  Haven't tested that, have you.  Makes me the perfect candidate for betas.  :-)  Could put this to use in at least 3 areas, simultaneously.  If you are still looking at the same type wireless as once mentioned, then it would be interesting to see the maximum number of universes capable, along with whatever other possible wireless interference was around.

Seriously watching this.  Since you're teasing us, expect questions.  lol...

Keith


Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: vairmoose on July 19, 2008,
An easy question.......     If you half the number of channels being used on a single universe,  can you  increase the speed (i.e. from 50ms to 25ms) ?   

Larry

Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: grages on July 19, 2008,
WOW!

This is Tremendous news!  Great work as always RJ.

Shawn
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on July 19, 2008,
knguyen916  > omg you did not post this  :  Yes I did but not sure why you are crying?

keith > Actually could use this, but how many universes can be run in parallel?   1 per transmitter but have not checked how many transmitters will work together yet as I am not that far. 2 for sure, but this is not the one you are thinking of that we have spoke of. This is a wireless for the 1024 channels and under group (majority of us) and is one step to the wireless Lynx where this will be integrated to the unit for a cost savings instead of an extra cost.  (next year)) The 802.11 multiuniverse much more expensive unit would use some of the work I have done here and be different. But of course I need this setup for me. As I need a number of cheap recievers in a number of places to get rid of cat5 instead of a unit with more universes in one unit that cost much more. Hope I explianed that OK.

moose >  If you half the number of channels being used on a single universe,  can you  increase the speed (i.e. from 50ms to 25ms) ?    I believe you can reduce your channel count and run 25ms. The split would not be an even 1/2 is twice as fast though, so it will take testing to answer more than what I have said.


grages > This is Tremendous news!  Thanks but lets hold off too much excitement until a little more testing is done. There could still be bumps in the road on it.


So everyone understands this is not ready to ship. My post is more of a "The Technology appears to work" kind of thing it does appears as if it will be a useable system to meet the goals for this project. These goals were as follows :

 Single Full DMX Universe over wireless at 50ms.
 Cheap enough recievers to be able to afford enough to do away with cat5 in a show.
 Transmitter that connects USB and is under $70 to build.
 Range of a least 500 ft to insure it is a usable system in the real world.
 Works with Vixen (Of Course).
 Could run the shows we already have with no changes.
 Average DLA user can build with little effort.
 Backwards compatable to be used on current equipment.
 Able to be incorporated into a Lynx cheaply.
 And of course the most important one: "Be Cool enough that everyone wants them!"    ;D

There is another possible project looming for wireless that kieth is after that has different goals. they are :

 Handle many uiniverses at the same time.  (4,6,8,10,12,...)
 25ms on each universe.
 Works over your 802.11 wireless network.
 Works with Vixen
 Be compatable with current equipment.
 
This setup is in many ways easier to create I think (I have ideas on it) It is just more expensive and did not really meet the needs for me so I went this way first.

RJ 
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: grages on July 19, 2008,
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grages > This is Tremendous news!  Thanks but lets hold off too much excitement until a little more testing is done. There could still be bumps in the road on it.


I always expect bumps in the road, but I can't help but get excited.

Shawn
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: knguyen916 on July 19, 2008,
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knguyen916  > omg you did not post this  :  Yes I did but not sure why you are crying?

 ;D I'm crying because I don't have it and will have to wait so long for it to become production
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on July 27, 2008,
Progress continues steady and with the positive outcomes I have had. (I have Wireless DMX running some Lynx stuff.) I have decide to take it to the next level to make it obsolete resistant. I am attempting to make the system multi universe. This would give us expansion capabilities for us so we do not out date the system too quickly. I am shooting for 4 universes (2048 channels @ 25ms) appears to be workable.

I came up with a elegant way to interface it to any true DMX systems with out modifactions. It works with all of the Lynx stuff and Aussie Phils DMX stuff.  You will not need to solder or mod your boards to use it.

You will set a jumper on each reciever to which Universe it is to work on and it will kick out that universe of DMX. You can run more than one reciever per universe and so this give you some real flexibilty to you layouts.

I have much work to do yet but it is coming together.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: vairmoose on July 28, 2008,
So   (dreaming of the future here)  ..  based on what you've said,  the wireless system could be as shown here?

Larry
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on July 28, 2008,
Remove all but one transmitter and you got it.    ;D

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: MrChristmas2000 on July 28, 2008,
If one used a different controller program that Vixen will this wireless unit still work?

Tom
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on July 28, 2008,
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If one used a different controller program that Vixen will this wireless unit still work?

Tom

No.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Aussiephil on July 29, 2008,
How about this conceptual diagram RJ?

(http://www.incanberra.biz/xmaslights/images/wirelessDMX.png)

cheers
Phil
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on July 29, 2008,
this is correct but you could have universes of all Lynx II with no reciever needed since each we have its own.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Brad on July 29, 2008,
"Backwards compatable to be used on current equipment"....

RJ,

Does "current equipment" include Sean Bowf's SSR design?


Waiting to celebrate (if the answer is yes)....

Brad
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on July 29, 2008,
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"Backwards compatable to be used on current equipment"....

RJ,

Does "current equipment" include Sean Bowf's SSR design?


Waiting to celebrate (if the answer is yes)....

Brad

The SSR's by sean are not controllers so getting wireless DMX to them would not do anything for you. The SSR4 with the DMX option on the other hand are controllers so you will be able to add wireless to them to use.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: tstewart on July 29, 2008,
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"Backwards compatable to be used on current equipment"....

RJ,

Does "current equipment" include Sean Bowf's SSR design?


Waiting to celebrate (if the answer is yes)....

Brad

The SSR's by sean are not controllers so getting wireless DMX to them would not do anything for you. The SSR4 with the DMX option on the other hand are controllers so you will be able to add wireless to them to use.

RJ

I think one step farther on this would be the SSROZ Sean's design can still be used but you will need a FreeStyle or a Grinch with the DMX converter to drive the SSR.  The FreeStyle or DMX Converter would get the DMX signal and then operate the SSROZ.


Todd
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on July 29, 2008,
Yes if that is what you mean than todd is spot on. I though you mean would the wireless add DMX to a standard SSR. But after Todds posting I see you could be meaning this. The SSR does not care what controller triggers them it can be any DMX or any Renard design that uses those SSR's. 

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Brad on July 29, 2008,
My controllers are Freestyle and Grinch driving 32 Sean Bowf style SSR's

Brad
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on July 29, 2008,
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My controllers are Freestyle and Grinch driving 32 Sean Bowf style SSR's

Brad

The Freestyle yes it will make it wireless. the grinch only if it is got a DMX convertor on it.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Brad on July 30, 2008,
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My controllers are Freestyle and Grinch driving 32 Sean Bowf style SSR's

Brad

The Freestyle yes it will make it wireless. the grinch only if it is got a DMX convertor on it.

RJ

Guess I'll be building a converter for 09. I have 2 Grinches. Would I need 2 converters? Then again, I may sell one of the Grinches and add another Freestyle for next season.

Thanks for the help,
Brad
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: ThaiWay on July 30, 2008,
Gotta love it!
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on August 02, 2008,
I finished the code for the much more advanced multi universe wireless systems receiver. I am now working on the transmitter side of things to get to a point where I can begin testing the new setup. 

The progress is moving ahead on it and looks very promising. It was nice to get a Wireless DMX setup running but I feel it is worth the time to do this much more powerful and flexible one to insure we stand ahead of the curve instead of behind it.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Aussiephil on August 02, 2008,
Congratulations RJ

I still don't know how you find the time to do even a 1/10th of what you achieve.

So many of us owe you so much for all the hard work you put in.

Cheers
Phil
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on August 03, 2008,
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Congratulations RJ

I still don't know how you find the time to do even a 1/10th of what you achieve.

So many of us owe you so much for all the hard work you put in.

Cheers
Phil

 :-[  Thanks Phil!
RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on September 09, 2008,
As most of you know I had to put this project on the back burner long enough to get the Lynx Express and my show done.  There is no problem with the wireless but the priotities had to shift for the moment. I will be back on it as soon as the Express and the show is done.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: christmas_in_VA on December 03, 2008,
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As most of you know I had to put this project on the back burner long enough to get the Lynx Express and my show done.  There is no problem with the wireless but the priotities had to shift for the moment. I will be back on it as soon as the Express and the show is done.

RJ

not to both but..........

are you running wireless in the show??

Ben
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on December 03, 2008,
No,

  Had to drop it to get the express done this year. Nothing will be worked on until after the new year.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: tyrodiadem on December 03, 2008,
RJ,
  you said that the new Freestyles will have the wireless DMX will they also have the lights normalization?  I like the idea of wireless DMX that way I dont have to get cat5 cable but i also would liek to use both LED and standard lights with dimming.  thanks
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Brad on December 03, 2008,
Man, I can't wait for this. I used up the remainder of the 1000' roll of Cat 5 I purchased last year. Then had to go spend 60 bucks at wallyworld for 6 100' rolls of telephone wire to build cables for my Mini Trees >:(
Couldn't justify over night or even 2nd day freight charges for another roll of Cat 5.

Brad
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on December 03, 2008,
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RJ,
  you said that the new Freestyles will have the wireless DMX will they also have the lights normalization?  I like the idea of wireless DMX that way I dont have to get cat5 cable but i also would liek to use both LED and standard lights with dimming.  thanks

Not with out a redesign. You can do led's and standard lights now they just have to seqenced for the different curves. This will be nicer with normaliztion.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Greg in Oregon on January 05, 2009,
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I like the idea of wireless DMX . . .

I LOVE the idea. 

My system is a bit wacky as the signal goes from DMX to MPX and out into the yard.

Count me in when you release AND thanks RJ!

Greg
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on January 05, 2009,
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I like the idea of wireless DMX . . .

I LOVE the idea. 

My system is a bit wacky as the signal goes from DMX to MPX and out into the yard.

Count me in when you release AND thanks RJ!

Greg

Wow! what kind of Microplex devices do you have? I have not heard of anyone using  MPX on this stuff. I did not think it was in use any longer for stuff.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Greg in Oregon on January 05, 2009,
It was a Craigslist find in 2004.  I got two 16 channel boards, 2 dimmer packs and 2 relay packs plus a demultiplexer and an IF-501.  I had NO idea what any of that was as I wanted some PAR 16 lights the guy was giving away and I went home with the rest.

I used the PARs for Halloween and the rest lived in a box in the attic.  Cleaning said attic I pulled it all out, figured out what it was and decided to animate Christmas.  Purchased Cakewalk and controlled the whole 2006 show with MIDI - YIKES.

2007 found Vixen, added some more dimmers (broken from EBay that I fixed) and went Vixen->DMX->MPX for 40 channels.  2008 44 channels.

Next year I'm planning on using the FG system and if wireless DMX is available, shooting data to the IF-501->MPX for the next door neighbor.

Long story but my lights flash!!!

Greg
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on January 05, 2009,
Cool!
RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on February 05, 2009,
Ok,

 Since finishing the Light Sampler device for the Express and creating curves for all the lights Bill sent me I have been heavy back on the wireless DMX project. I am as you should know working on the modules for the Express.  I plan to run my expresses all wirelessly this year.

Progress has been coming along well at this point. I expect to have the Wireless dongle end of it finished to the point of needing the express side to go any farther this week.

This weekend I have some other things I have to take care of but hope to get some progess on the Express module done.

My goal is to have the wireless worked out by the end of the month to the point of ready to layout the pcb's for them. This is a large goal and very well might hit hurdles that delay it but this is the plan.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: wbuehler on February 05, 2009,
Thanks for all the hard work RJ

Bill

Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: smartcontrols on February 05, 2009,

Yes, thanks RJ, for all your hard work.

When it is ready, I think this COOP might beat the 12 hour record.


jeff
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Ron on February 05, 2009,
Very exciting stuff RJ, thanks for your hard work.

Ron
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: ThaiWay on February 05, 2009,
Wish I could be a beta-tester... but alas, I'm too far away.

Thanks for all you do RJ!

John
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: kylec on February 05, 2009,
Your Awesome RJ!

Kyle   ;D ;D
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Greg on February 05, 2009,
Outstanding work RJ!

So when do you sleep?

Lets see... At the rate you're going all your announced projects will be complete by sometime in late March to early April then you'll need to get your taxes done. ...so, you sleep the third week in April I suppose.  ;D


Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: ElectricCraft1 on February 06, 2009,
I have to agree with Greg.  When do you have time for all of this?  Do you have a "real" job?  If so, how to you manage the time.  I get up early just to check on the forums, let alone be able to build anything.  Thanks for all your hard work, I know I can speak for everyone when I say we all greatly appreciate your work.  Wish I could be of some help in some way.

Branden
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on February 09, 2009,
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I have to agree with Greg.  When do you have time for all of this?  Do you have a "real" job?  If so, how to you manage the time.  I get up early just to check on the forums, let alone be able to build anything.  Thanks for all your hard work, I know I can speak for everyone when I say we all greatly appreciate your work.  Wish I could be of some help in some way.

Branden

I am an Adminstrator for the Sheriff's office. I am in charge of number of the Civilian units including I.T.  I started out as a network admin before being promoted a number of times. Work 12 hours most days but normally 4 days a week.  This is my stress relief from my real job.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on February 09, 2009,
Progress on the Express wireless modules is still progress well. I am a ways away from the biggy which is the range testing. I expect that to be very important to verify the range is within my design specs. I am requiring a minimum of 200 ft line of sight but hoping for more than 300ft.   

These would handle a fairly large yard at that.  The other Long Range Wifi unit will fill in the longer range "down the street" part of the equation.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: ElectricCraft1 on February 09, 2009,
I am an Adminstrator for the Sheriff's office. I am in charge of number of the Civilian units including I.T.  I started out as a network admin before being promoted a number of times. Work 12 hours most days but normally 4 days a week.  This is my stress relief from my real job.

RJ


Now I understand.  You not only have an extra day, but also the background to help ease the burden.  Thanks for all you do.  Can't wait for wireless!!!! 
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Snowmizer on February 17, 2009,

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I am an Adminstrator for the Sheriff's office. I am in charge of number of the Civilian units including I.T.  I started out as a network admin before being promoted a number of times. Work 12 hours most days but normally 4 days a week.  This is my stress relief from my real job.

RJ
[/quote]

That's too cool, I am the communications supervisor and general computer guru for the Sheriff's Office here!!! We do have two official IT guys, but I end up doing most of the "basic stuff" so they can tackle the big stuff.


So you have talked about a range for "line of sight".....but what about wall penatration? Having the PC in the garage or the front room without a single wire having to go outside, I would think that is the goal for most of us. Also the other thing that has crossed my mind on this is what kind of protocol are you using, for those of us with wireless networks at home is this going to present a problem??  Heck I can do a search right now on my laptop and see 6 wireless networks from my living room and 3 of those are unencrypted!!!!
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on February 17, 2009,
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So you have talked about a range for "line of sight".....but what about wall penatration? Having the PC in the garage or the front room without a single wire having to go outside, I would think that is the goal for most of us. Also the other thing that has crossed my mind on this is what kind of protocol are you using, for those of us with wireless networks at home is this going to present a problem??  Heck I can do a search right now on my laptop and see 6 wireless networks from my living room and 3 of those are unencrypted!!!!

No it should not present any issues under normal operation.
RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on February 21, 2009,
A little video to show some progress on the wireless DMX front. This is a express wired to the protoboard with the receiver on it.  So the DMX is coming from the receiver which is getting the data from the transmitter which is a few inches apart from it. The transmitter is getting DMX from my Lynx dongle and vixen is playing my show from this last year.

In the video I say the range is only a few inches, this means that is the distance it is running not the range it will run. I have to get the receiver made up on a pcb to put in the express so I can begin range testing as soon as the fine tuning is done.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: rrowan on February 21, 2009,
Hi RJ

Looks good

You are making great progress

Cheers

Rick R.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: kylec on February 21, 2009,
Awesome! :D
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Ron on February 21, 2009,
Sweet!  Thanks for keeping us in the loop on your progress.

Ron
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on February 21, 2009,
I believe our complete 16 channel, DMX, Internal SSR controller with built in wireless for under $80 is very close indeed.  The module for the express should run about $20 to build so with the normalization and wireless it should be a very capable system for the $$.  Looking forward to almost no cat5 this year!  Setup should be much easier and faster. Plug in the power and plug in the lights.

Now if we can get it to write the seqences for us, we would be set!  ;D


RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: scharbon on February 22, 2009,
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Now if we can get it to write the seqences for us, we would be set!  ;D

RJ

So is that your next project?    ;)

Steve
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: tpctech on February 22, 2009,
Question:

Great new on the wireless project.  Being you have made the DIY stuff so flexible and multi-purpose (SSR4-dmx).  Is there any thought of having a option of  "DMX in" on the transmitter.  The tranmitter could then be put anywhere on the DMX line and out of the basement!  Then they would have even more range to wirelessly extend to other controllers.  It would basically be a wireless DMX "wire"  What goes in comes out.

Just a thought.

KEN

PS What wireless frequency range and or system is this using 900mhz, 2.400ghz, 5.8ghz, 802.11B, Zigbee, ect  just wondering.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: rrowan on February 22, 2009,
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Question:

Great new on the wireless project.  Being you have made the DIY stuff so flexible and multi-purpose (SSR4-dmx).  Is there any thought of having a option of  "DMX in" on the transmitter.  The tranmitter could then be put anywhere on the DMX line and out of the basement!  Then they would have even more range to wirelessly extend to other controllers.  It would basically be a wireless DMX "wire"  What goes in comes out.

Just a thought.

KEN

PS What wireless frequency range and or system is this using 900mhz, 2.400ghz, 5.8ghz, 802.11B, Zigbee, ect  just wondering.

Hi Ken

I believe that RJ has already answered these type of questions. http://diylightanimation.com/index.php?topic=813.0

Rick R.

Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: tpctech on February 22, 2009,
Yep!  I just stumbled on that.  I guess I should read deeper then post :)

Thanks.

KEN
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Sloanhaus on February 22, 2009,
OMG RJ, any chance you will have this ready for the Florida meet... I would love to see it in person...

Brad
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on February 22, 2009,
We will see.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: ThaiWay on February 22, 2009,
Thanks for the update RJ!

Now if I only half your small brain-power :-)

John
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Brad on February 23, 2009,
Cool! Thanks for the update RJ.

Brad
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: ElectricCraft1 on February 24, 2009,
Glad to see everything is working as planned.  Thanks for everything RJ.

Branden
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: claytor1999 on February 25, 2009,
Who would have thought Dance of the Sugar-Plum Fairy could sound like Mad Scientist music.

Cool stuff RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on March 05, 2009,
Update,

  The progress continues on the Wireless DMX. It has taken a lot of time to get where  I am but it is looking very promising. I will be ordering a couple of test PCB's this week to allow me to begin the Range testing of the units. I do have a few bugs to kill yet but total normal and all part of it. I do have a universe of DMX moving across the protoboard wireless and running my Express on the bench. My test seqence is a 512 channel of on / off on every channel at 25ms with them alternating to make it work hard and it is looking very good.

I would say that if the range is good we are going to have wireless modules for the expresses very soon.

I priced out the parts for the receiver and the parts come to $16 for one. The pcb's will run about $1.80 each if we can get an order of 200 units.  So it will be under $20 to build.

The transmitter will be not much more just some connectors and such that add some to it.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: WWNF911 on March 05, 2009,
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I priced out the parts for the receiver and the parts come to $16 for one. The pcb's will run about $1.80 each if we can get an order of 200 units.  So it will be under $20 to build.

The transmitter will be not much more just some connectors and such that add some to it.

Curious,.. I thought there was a slot for the wireless mod on the Express. So, what is the pcb for? Is it gonna be a piggyback pcb?

Leon
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on March 05, 2009,
The PCB is the tiny module that plugs into the slot.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: WWNF911 on March 05, 2009,
Thanks RJ.

Remember the drooling smiley I had posted in the MR16 Controller section?  Going to go dust it off!!!!


Leon


:)
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: thedudedrummer on March 06, 2009,
Can this be used for all dmx items, or just the express?
-Mike
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: WWNF911 on March 06, 2009,
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Can this be used for all dmx items, or just the express?
-Mike

I could be wrong on this, but I think if you go wireless out to your express, you can then daisy chain from there to a complete universe.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: rrowan on March 06, 2009,
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Can this be used for all dmx items, or just the express?
-Mike

I could be wrong on this, but I think if you go wireless out to your express, you can then daisy chain from there to a complete universe.

The module that RJ is talking about is only for the Express. The plan is to have plug ins for the other lynx hardware but I am not sure if that is still the game plan.

Leon is correct, you can daisy chain from a wireless Express to other dmx devices using cat5.

Rick R.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: vairmoose on March 06, 2009,
RJ,   this is excellent news and one more notch on your belt.  Thank you for your passion to make this hobby/obsession not only workable but exciting for those that must limit the funds they can invest.   

Larry   
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: rrowan on March 06, 2009,
LOL

You know I was so intend on answering a question that I totally forgot to added my Kudos to RJ. :D

Please add my thanks for all of the hard work and HOURS upon HOURS of coding you put into the wireless module. I still can't believe how cheap these units will cost at the same time knowing how work went into them and what they are doing.

Many Thanks

Rick R.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: ThaiWay on March 06, 2009,
Kudos Galore, RJ!

John
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Greg on March 06, 2009,
Sounding good there RJ!

Personally, I think you should be adding a couple bucks onto each PCB across the Lynx product line.  I understand your rational for not doing so thus far, but, your time is worth a bunch to everyone here and this forum doesn't get served for free either.

I know there is info in the wiki on how to donate and all, but a couple bucks a PCB would be relatively painless for most everyone here pursuing this hobby and a simple means of giving support over time.

Greg
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: claytor1999 on March 07, 2009,
I second Greg. Nothing wrong with all of us funding R&D while still staying with the initial intent of the site.

Thanks RJ,
Robb
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: BryanV on March 07, 2009,
no doubt about it.  I don't know how RJ finds the time but it's worth getting rewarded for.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on March 08, 2009,
Well,

  It's been a long last few days. But I made an executive decision I hope you all can live with.

  I decided that since the wireless was pushing the limits of my limited knowledge of electronics (not being an EE but more a high tech redneck) I decided as they like to say in my neck of the woods:

 Go BIG or go HOME!

I have finished the design of the transmitter pcb for the Lynx Wireless DMX. As you know I had intended to come out with two designs. One that was short range and cheap for each controller and one that was more expensive and had long range for doing shows in other yards etc.

Well as I got this project for the cheap short range going well I started on the Transmitter and as you know one of the last big hurdles is the range test and seeing if the range will be long enough.

Well I don't think that will be an issue with the transmitter pcb's I just ordered. They include a power amplifier on board that can provide up to 50MW output if needed. This make the wireless system for the express about as powerful as the normal Wifi wireless access point. But on a small spread frequency like a xbee module. I intend to run it at much lower power so you should get about 1/2 mile line of site range out of them at least and maybe more.  Unlike the xbees ect instead of 250kb rf data rate and 70kb thoughput I have well over 400Kb of thoughtput and a much higher RF data rate. This is why we can handle DMX on it.

I am afraid this means they will be more expensive than the receivers. About $50 total to build including the wall wart to power it, the external antenna, case, etc.

I feel it will be a bargain at this and hope you all agree. They should penetrate better and have range to spare.

It fits into the same case as the DMX dongle. I also made the transmitter accept DMX from the dongle instead of being a computer dongle of it's own. This will allow you to remote it if needed to a convenient place outside on in a window.

Of course this is all in the air for testing. Many issues could come up yet and the firmware is not bug free yet.

This is going to mean if it works out as expected the Long range version of the Wireless may not get done. It would not have any more range than this should and would cost more.

The system has jumpers on it that allow you to run up to 3 universes in the same area. The receivers have the same choice so you set the receiver on the universe it needs to see and you are set. The Default is universe #1 with no jumper installed.

The system is a full speed full channel count DMX universe of 25ms at 512 channels. I am not counting my chickens yet but If I was a betting man, Forget that I just spent about $300 on proto boards! I guess I am a betting man! LOL

Hope I am headed in the right direction.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: WWNF911 on March 08, 2009,
Thats Fantastic news RJ!!!

You're more than heading in the right direction. Thanks for all the hard work and dedication. Congradulations!

I'll never sleep tonight now.    ;D ;D ;D

Leon
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: claytor1999 on March 08, 2009,
From the comments on this board I'd say your finished designs have hit home runs. Your decision process so far has made a lot of people happy!

As a wise man once said:
"You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em
Know when to walk away and know when to run
You never count your money when youre sittin at the work bench
Therell be time enough for countin when the PCBs are done"


Sorry... the morning coffee just kicked in.

Robb
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: n1ist on March 08, 2009,
  Certainly sounds like the right direction.  I don't mind paying a little more for the transmitter; I only need one...  I'm curious to see what  band you chose and whose chipset.
/mike
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: smartcontrols on March 08, 2009,
WOW, Fantastic does not describe that accomplishment, but I can’t think of a word that does. That device sounds perfect for my use. Why design two devices when RJ can do it in one. For $50 and I never have to worry about being a little out of range. Robb may have the coffee jitters but I spilled my coffee when I read this and the coffee burned me, so I know I am not dreaming.  I will bet on a RJ design any time. It sounds like I am going to be running Lynx Wireless this year.  I am so happy, I think I will take the wife out to breakfast.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: wjt3 on March 08, 2009,
You're definitely moving in the right direction. This is great news. I think the range and price are right on target...Bill
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: ElectricCraft1 on March 08, 2009,
The question is not if it will be too expensive; the question should be where else can you buy wireless for that pricing?  I'm very glad to have found this group to associate with.  RJ, you make all of our lives (and time) worth it. 

Wireless transmitter:  $50.
Lynx Express:  $67.
RJ:  Priceless.

Thanks for all your hard work!!!!!!!
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: dmaccole on March 08, 2009,
I concur that your decisions in the past have been superb and I have no reason to believe this one isn't either.

Besides, one DMX wireless system rather than two means you can work on something else this summer!

\dmc
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: MrChristmas2000 on March 08, 2009,
I am assuming that if the transmitter will accept DMX from the dongle that it could accept DMX from other sources as well. That would be a great feature.

Good Job.

Tom
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: wbuehler on March 08, 2009,
Nice Work

Bill

Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: PJNMCT on March 08, 2009,
Wow,

...can't wait.

-Paul
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: ThaiWay on March 08, 2009,
In a word, PERFECT!

Thanks RJ... now get some sleep

John
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: kylec on March 08, 2009,
You're awesome RJ!

Kyle  ;D ;D
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: solidmodeler on March 08, 2009,
Sounding exceptional to me.. Sounds like the right path to me. You must be a really efficient worker with all you get done.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: brandonj on March 09, 2009,
So will the wireless transmitter require the DMX dongle, or will it be completely separate, or will there be a choice?
RJ's last post made me think it would plug in to the DMX dongle, but other posts made me think otherwise.  So what is the right answer?

(or has that decision been made yet?)

So far, it looks like you have a very desirable product! Good work, RJ!

-Brandon
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on March 10, 2009,
It plugs into your dongle, It requires a receiver designed for the Lynx Express. It does not work with other devices at this point. This will be a Lynx only wireless system. In other words it will not be able to used it on other systems as it stands. I think that answers your question.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: IronRuss on March 10, 2009,
RJ

Is there going to be a cat5 output on the transmitter? Or is a person going to have to use a splitter before the transmitter if they want to run another DMX line out of the house?

Russ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: rrowan on March 10, 2009,
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RJ

Is there going to be a cat5 output on the transmitter? Or is a person going to have to use a splitter before the transmitter if they want to run another DMX line out of the house?

Russ

Hi Russ

I believe that you need a separate dongle for each universe. The transmitter will broadcast a full universe. I have not see any proto types yet and RJ has not posted any info about a wired dmx output on the transmitter.

So if you want wireless and wired from your computer it will require two dongles.

The above is just my guess.

Rick R.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: brandonj on March 10, 2009,
Correct me if i am wrong, but I believe you will be able to use the DMX OUT ports on an LE board that has a wireless receiver on it - so you wouldnt really need to run another line from the computer.

So it could go something like this:


COMPUTER ----->  DMX DONGLE  ----> WIRELESS TRANSMITTER - - - -> Lynx Express ----> Lynx Freestyle


Am I right in saying this?

-Brandon
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Ron on March 10, 2009,
Yep you are right Brandon.  RJ said the DMX 2 out on the newer LE boards is connected to the wireless and will allow you to push DMX out after having been received through the wireless.

Pretty cool.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: vairmoose on March 10, 2009,
Brandon, There are an almost infinite combination that you could create but you have the basic idea.   The  Wireless (as I understand it) could be the link (transmitter + receiver) between any two Lynxx components in place of the CAT5 (DMX) connection but I'm guessing that it would always be best right after the dongle.  

   Also there could be several receivers for each transmitter.    

  Not sure if there can only be one transmitter downstream of any single dongle, but it makes sense that this would be so.  

Larry.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: REM on March 10, 2009,
Seems like the question that everyone is skirting around is this: on a wireless-equipped Express, will both DMX-out ports be operational or only the newer #2 port?
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: vairmoose on March 10, 2009,
No skirting..   just a little tap dancing. 

Both "outs" have the full DMX.   

Larry.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on March 10, 2009,
DMX2 is the only output from the Wireless.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: vairmoose on March 10, 2009,
OK.   Back to the back of the class for me.      Apparently I missunderstood what was being said.   Disregard my previous post.

Larry. 
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on March 10, 2009,
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OK.   Back to the back of the class for me.      Apparently I missunderstood what was being said.   Disregard my previous post.

Larry. 

Hah! I just confuse people!

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Ron on March 11, 2009,
RJ,

What about the V1 LE boards?  They have a spot for the wireless module but only 1 DMX out.  Will we be able to use the DMX1 out on the LE V1 boards to output a DMX signal through the RJ45 port?

Thanks.

Ron
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: REM on March 11, 2009,
From everything I have heard it's not possible. Only DMX2 has the necessary traces/components to make it work.

Ron (the other one)
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on March 15, 2009,
The DMX2 output on the version 3 Express is the only one that outputs the Wireless DMX as wired DMX. I am sorry but the wireless was not going to be like this when it started out it was a improvement made from input of users to do it so you got a splitter out of it also.

If you have a ver 2 PCB that you need this on and it is not built yet you can use your parts and change just the PCB out. All the parts are the same. Then add three parts for about $2 and you have a version 3 unit. If you do not need this you are missing nothing.

Next I hope all of you have seen this post :
http://diylightanimation.com/index.php?topic=1192.msg11331#msg11331

One user read this to mean there would be no other wireless modules for the other Lynx equipment. This is not correct at all. The express module example was just that an example. The first line says Lynx Equipment not Express. I do not want any other person confused on it.

The wireless for the other items as always will follow after a successful beta of the Express modules.  They are based on the same circuits so development of them is really already done. In fact in the video of the wireless working, if you notice the proto is feeding the signal to the express via cat5 as I have no modules yet (waiting on the PCB's) so if you think about it what I am working with is already the next device (cat5 DMX out).

I know everyone is excited about the wireless, none more than me. But hang on and keep the speculation in check for a few more weeks and then if all goes well I will be able to release all of the nitty gritty of the units. Pictures, Video, and explanation of how they work.

Understand, the above posted statement is not even about Lynx users, Lynx users will be able to have all the wireless they can use. It is about not making it the cheap route for every DJ to add wireless to their shows.  It is about not competing with commercial companies like LOR for their wireless market. It is about adding even more value to being a Lynx user than we already have.

The wireless is a beginning not an end to where we are going with the Lynx Equipment.
The stuff in the pipe you do not even know about makes the wireless boring!

We will be working on a cheap plug in module for the Freestyles that make them work just like a 128 channel External Express with display, LNT, and all for FS users and a redesign for new FS users to have it built in.

Next years has some toys that will have you as excited about them as the wireless if not more.

I am not trying to create the best DIY equipment for holiday lighting.  I am trying to create the best holiday lighting equipment for the home user who will DIY. There is a difference in the two.

Amazing things have been happing at DLA lately. With the current Coop we will exceed 500 Express's going out to users since the beginning of the year .  :o

For some fun facts on The LYNX Controllers:

There is 41,828 channels of LYNX equipment out in a year and a half.  :o
This does not include the over 250 Expresses and 615 SSR4's in coops right now.

If you attach only one string of 100 count minis to each channel of the Lynx Equipment that has been sent out in the last year and a half. You would have almost 4.2 million lights in use.   :o

The current draw to run this would be 13803 amps or 1,656,360 watts.  :o :o :o

So please blink them don't leave them on or the planet will burn up!!!! LOL

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Blackbeard on March 15, 2009,
RJ,

I'm building my first LE right now that I purchased last December. I have the parts for the Version 3.0, but the one I'm building currently is a Version 2.0. I'm not seeing how I am to add the additional parts. Am I to modify the board some how? A little explanation might help me here. I have soldered up through the fuse holders, so am I too late?

Thanks -

steve
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: rrowan on March 15, 2009,
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RJ,

I'm building my first LE right now that I purchased last December. I have the parts for the Version 3.0, but the one I'm building currently is a Version 2.0. I'm not seeing how I am to add the additional parts. Am I to modify the board some how? A little explanation might help me here. I have soldered up through the fuse holders, so am I too late?

Thanks -

steve

Hi Steve,

If you need dmx out while using the up and coming wireless module then what RJ was saying was you need to take the parts off of the ver2 pcb and put them on ver3 pcb.

If you don't need that and/or not using wireless than just build the ver2 board. There is no other difference (besides the 2 leds).

Rick R.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: ThaiWay on March 15, 2009,
RJ, thanxamilyun for taking the time to make this informative post.

I sat out Christmas 2007, frustrated by lack of support from the commercial vendor of my four dimmer boards, and clunky expensive software that was anything but user-friendly.

In May 2008 I started planning for last year's show, knowing that I needed to make a change in hardware.  I had all but decided to buy kits from another commercial vendor when I stumbled on to DIYC, and from there discovered DLA. 

Last July, with input from both forums, I made the difficult decision to go with DMX and RJ's designs.  Then with the patience and support of so many dedicated members here, I was able to put together a limited - but at least in my mind awesome - display. 

I couldn't be happier that I chose the DLA route rather than commercial or other DIY.  I feel I'm on a path with a bright future led by a true visionary!  Thanks for everything.

John
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Blackbeard on March 16, 2009,
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Hi Steve,

If you need dmx out while using the up and coming wireless module then what RJ was saying was you need to take the parts off of the ver2 pcb and put them on ver3 pcb.

If you don't need that and/or not using wireless than just build the ver2 board. There is no other difference (besides the 2 leds).

Rick R.

Rick,

Now I'm really confused. Which parts do I take off if they weren't on the Version 2.0 originally?

Maybe I'm not explaining myself very well. Here's my equipment:

1 Version 2 PCB
1 Version 3 PCB
2 Version 3 parts kit

I'm going to have parts left over when building the V2 board. If I understand it correctly, there isn't a place on the V2 board for the additional RS485 chip and the other components that will be left over. Did I misunderstand RJ when I thought he said I could make my V2 a V3?

Sorry to be so dense on this one. It's actually not a big deal as I will more than likely use the V2 wired instead of wireless, but if I could make the V2 like the V3, why shouldn't I?

Thanks for the help.

steve
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: ElectricCraft1 on March 16, 2009,
Blackbeard,

You need the Version 3 PCB.  If you had the parts kit from Ver. 2 and put those on a Ver. 3 board, then added $2 in parts you would have a Ver. 3 board.  Now, I could be wrong in what I read, but I do believe this is what has been said.  I hope this helps.

Branden
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on March 16, 2009,
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Blackbeard,

You need the Version 3 PCB.  If you had the parts kit from Ver. 2 and put those on a Ver. 3 board, then added $2 in parts you would have a Ver. 3 board.  Now, I could be wrong in what I read, but I do believe this is what has been said.  I hope this helps.

Branden

Yes, If you need the additions of the Ver 3 board and have not built your ver2 you can order a Ver 3 PCB and add the extra parts.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: knguyen916 on March 16, 2009,
1 Version 2 PCB
1 Version 3 PCB
2 1 Version 3 parts kit

Based on your parts you can make 1 version 3 board. The strikethrough shows that your version 2 cannot be a version 3 board and 1 x version 3 parts will have 3-4 parts left over because the version 2 board doesn't have the additional improvements that the version 3 board has (i.e. the RJ-45 for splitter, RS485 chip, etc...)

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Hi Steve,

If you need dmx out while using the up and coming wireless module then what RJ was saying was you need to take the parts off of the ver2 pcb and put them on ver3 pcb.

If you don't need that and/or not using wireless than just build the ver2 board. There is no other difference (besides the 2 leds).

Rick R.

Rick,

Now I'm really confused. Which parts do I take off if they weren't on the Version 2.0 originally?

Maybe I'm not explaining myself very well. Here's my equipment:

1 Version 2 PCB
1 Version 3 PCB
2 Version 3 parts kit

I'm going to have parts left over when building the V2 board. If I understand it correctly, there isn't a place on the V2 board for the additional RS485 chip and the other components that will be left over. Did I misunderstand RJ when I thought he said I could make my V2 a V3?

Sorry to be so dense on this one. It's actually not a big deal as I will more than likely use the V2 wired instead of wireless, but if I could make the V2 like the V3, why shouldn't I?

Thanks for the help.

steve
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: rrowan on March 16, 2009,
WOW

What a confusing bunch of posts :D

Steve - Simple Fact - you can not convert a ver 2 board into a ver 3 board with the extra parts. There is nothing wrong with ver 2 board it will work just fine. It just lacks dmx 2 out and led power indicators (5v and 3.3v)

The extra parts and or different parts from ver3 and ver 2 are:
ver 3: (not including if you got extra/bonus parts from a coop)
1 - rs-485 chip
1 - 8 pin socket (for rs-485 chip)
1 - rj-45 connector
1 - 180 ohm resistor
1 - 330 ohm resistor
2 - green leds

Also the tall capacitor was changed from a 3300uf to a 4700uf

Rick R.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: memphislights on March 16, 2009,
couldn't you just complete the "circuit" for the DMX2 on some perf board and then jumper the appropirate lines to the ver 2 board?
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Blackbeard on March 16, 2009,
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If you have a ver 2 PCB that you need this on and it is not built yet you can use your parts and change just the PCB out. All the parts are the same. Then add three parts for about $2 and you have a version 3 unit. If you do not need this you are missing nothing.
RJ

Sorry to have caused such a ruckus. The above quote was what I misunderstood. I'm OK with the Version 2 as it is, as I said, but just thought if I could "convert" the V2 to a V3, why not.

Thanks so much for all the input. I'll shut now.

steve
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: rrowan on March 16, 2009,
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If you have a ver 2 PCB that you need this on and it is not built yet you can use your parts and change just the PCB out. All the parts are the same. Then add three parts for about $2 and you have a version 3 unit. If you do not need this you are missing nothing.
RJ

Sorry to have caused such a ruckus. The above quote was what I misunderstood. I'm OK with the Version 2 as it is, as I said, but just thought if I could "convert" the V2 to a V3, why not.

Thanks so much for all the input. I'll shut now.

steve

Steve you didn't cause any ruckus. We just enjoy the challenge of who is going to post more about the same exact thing. Besides RJ's post was confusing to begin with. :D You just got to learn RJ speak.

Its a good thing to have people post since everyone (including me) has a different understanding and thoughts on how it all works. Of course the one true knower of all Lynx hardware is RJ.

All is good

Rick R.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on March 23, 2009,
A picture of the guts of the wireless TX Proto. Not a lot to it. Not hard to build. The surface mount parts are big .1 inch pin spacing so it is the same size as a regular chip and so soldering is not a challenge like smaller surface mount devices.

There are a few changes I am making to the pcb for ease of building. Mainly spacing one SMD device farther from the other to make soldering easier.

A coop for 25 would make them about $52-$56 to build including the wall wart to power them.

The Receivers will run about $20 a piece to build. 

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: memphislights on March 23, 2009,
suggestion for a rev 1.0a board.

copywrite  --> copyright

just a suggestion though.

On a more serious note, would it make sense to do what you did for the LEs and maybe add a splitter/pass through DMX output?

Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: WWNF911 on March 24, 2009,
Boy,.. that is sweet RJ!

Although I can't quite tell, looks like probably same size as the dongle?

Leon
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: rrowan on March 24, 2009,
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Boy,.. that is sweet RJ!

Although I can't quite tell, looks like probably same size as the dongle?

Leon

Its the same case as the dongle

Very Nice job RJ

Cheers

Rick R.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: grossg on March 24, 2009,
That's sweet RJ! ;D
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Sloanhaus on March 24, 2009,
I cant wait to see the new features for next year. Especially the one where you dont have to use any extension cords,,, completely wireless.... RJ you are the best.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: knguyen916 on March 24, 2009,
That one might be a problem. Of course you can always retrofit a lighting rod to a large power supply hooked up to your equipment.  ;D
 
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I cant wait to see the new features for next year. Especially the one where you dont have to use any extension cords,,, completely wireless.... RJ you are the best.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: vairmoose on March 24, 2009,
i think that controlled ball ligtning would do the trick.   Just need to outfit each controller / SSR with sufficient battery storage to keep the lights running until the next bouncing ball hits.   

Larry 

P.S. images of LEDTRIK II scrolling text and a bouncing ball of light flash through whats left of a mind.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on March 24, 2009,
 ???  Are you guys eating tainted peanut butter or what?

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: MrChristmas2000 on March 24, 2009,
You install a large inductive coil around the yard. Each controller would have a receiver coil. Power would be transfer through the air and power your lights.  ;D
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Sloanhaus on March 24, 2009,
OK, maybe that is not your next idea, I guess you are still working on how to make all the car lights turn on and off on your street with one express wireless... Can't wait to freak my neighbors out... Maybe we could control all our neighbors lights. I can see the headlines now, "Ghost haunts Grand Hampton Neighborhood." ah ha ha ha ha ha, ah ha ha ha ha ha, ah ha ha ha ha ha ha
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: rrowan on March 24, 2009,
I am with RJ on this one.

tainted peanut butter

Rick R.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on March 24, 2009,
Pics of the Receiver as promised.  PCB is god no changes other than spelling but I am going to use different sockets than I planned for the Express where it plugs in. There were not the right size and did not fit at all well.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: rrowan on March 24, 2009,
Hi RJ

Very nice

Thanks for the preview - is this a alpha or beta board?

Rick R.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: wbuehler on March 24, 2009,
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Pics of the Receiver as promised.  PCB is god no changes other than spelling but I am going to use different sockets than I planned for the Express where it plugs in. There were not the right size and did not fit at all well.

RJ

PCB is god?

Now I know that it is good but is it that good?  ;D

Bill

Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: grossg on March 24, 2009,
That's the second coolest thing I've seen today...god to get me one  :P
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: ThaiWay on March 24, 2009,
Ball lightning... now that's something I'd like to see... let alone controlled!

Thank gawd for you RJ... the modules look easy... now that you've done most all of the hard work!

John
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: WWNF911 on March 24, 2009,
I used to be impressed with sliced bread...

Totally cool RJ!!!

(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/drool.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org)
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on April 07, 2009,
Ok, Since I just finished a channel by channel test of the wireless to insure all 512 channels work and it passed that its time to say we have a working solution.

Time for an accountability meeting on where we are compared to the goals set for the wireless. In one of the first post of this thread I outlined my goals so lets review them and compare the outcome :

Goals
Outcome

 Single Full DMX Universe over wireless at 50ms.
  Single Full DMX Universe over wireless at 25ms

Cheap enough recievers to afford enough to do away with cat5 in a show
    Receivers for about $20

Transmitter that connects USB and is under $70 to build.  
Hooks to DMX and cost about $50

Range of a least 500 ft to insure it is a usable system in the real world.
At Least this in open line of sight operation

 Works with Vixen (Of Course).
Works with any DMX application

 Could run the shows we already have with no changes.
Does this

Average DLA user can build with little effort.
Believe we meet this easy

 Backwards compatable to be used on current equipment.
     No Problem

Able to be incorporated into a Lynx cheaply.
    Yes
 
And of course the most important one: "Be Cool enough that everyone wants them!"   
Only you can tell me this but I think it is pretty darn cool!

I think we did well on this one.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: grossg on April 07, 2009,
It's cool I want one...uh 12...! ;D
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Brad on April 07, 2009,
You are amazing RJ
Pretty sure we all agree to the above statement

Brad

Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: PJNMCT on April 07, 2009,
...alright, alright, alright it IS cool!!! Let's go, Let's go.

-Paul

Fantastic RJ!
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: solidmodeler on April 07, 2009,
Looks and reads great. So far looks like your are exceeding expectations.

thanks
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: WWNF911 on April 08, 2009,
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Ok, Since I just finished a channel by channel test of the wireless to insure all 512 channels work and it passed that its time to say we have a working solution.

Time for an accountability meeting on where we are compared to the goals set for the wireless. In one of the first post of this thread I outlined my goals so lets review them and compare the outcome :

Goals
Outcome

 Single Full DMX Universe over wireless at 50ms.
  Single Full DMX Universe over wireless at 25ms

Cheap enough recievers to afford enough to do away with cat5 in a show
    Receivers for about $20

Transmitter that connects USB and is under $70 to build.  
Hooks to DMX and cost about $50

Range of a least 500 ft to insure it is a usable system in the real world.
At Least this in open line of sight operation

 Works with Vixen (Of Course).
Works with any DMX application

 Could run the shows we already have with no changes.
Does this

Average DLA user can build with little effort.
Believe we meet this easy

 Backwards compatable to be used on current equipment.
     No Problem

Able to be incorporated into a Lynx cheaply.
    Yes
 
And of course the most important one: "Be Cool enough that everyone wants them!"   
Only you can tell me this but I think it is pretty darn cool!

I think we did well on this one.

RJ

Really GREAT RJ!

Forgive me as I'm positive I've not read this entire thread. In your testing so far,.. any interference between your FM transmitter and your LYNX Wireless DMX Transmitter? I think I already know the answer to this but thought I'd be consistent and ask. My appologies in advance.   :-[

Leon
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: scorpia on April 08, 2009,
I must say im pretty impressed. nice work RJ.

i just hope the RF modules from microchip dont have a stock problem. should be ok but you never know.

have you done any interferance testing with other things? (cordless phones, wireless networks, bluetooth etc etc.)

hopefully the released version of the receiver module ends up being a but smaller. but overall nice job.

Peter
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Blackbeard on April 08, 2009,
I just reread the entire thread, and didn't see any reference to my question I'm going to ask, but it's early in the morning, so here goes.....

I think this is amazing, so amazing that people who see my display may want to do this also. After all, I started getting hooked on this due to word of eye (can't use word of mouth here because I saw this on the internet, not heard it). If I do well enough, word of mouth is a source of bringing in new users also. Although I live on a fairly large piece of land, I could see the potential problem of conflicts if a nearby neighbor decides to use this system. Each of us could supposedly use a different universe, providing what I think is 3 possible solutions to the conflict with the universe-select jumper. But am I wrong in assuming this is the only solution right now?

With the simplicity of the RJ-developed stuff out there, they could really become the standard for home designed light displays. In a community like mine, I could see many users once they see the results of RJ's magnificent mind. If I were to see a display, I know I would ask how it was done and probably want to use the same equipment.

steve
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: rrowan on April 08, 2009,
Hi Peter

Just curious why you think the module should be smaller? The board is designed to fit into the solder pads that is already on the LE pcb.

Thanks

Rick


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I must say im pretty impressed. nice work RJ.

i just hope the RF modules from microchip dont have a stock problem. should be ok but you never know.

have you done any interferance testing with other things? (cordless phones, wireless networks, bluetooth etc etc.)

hopefully the released version of the receiver module ends up being a but smaller. but overall nice job.

Peter
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: wjgiles50 on April 08, 2009,
All I can say is when does the COOP start?
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: rrowan on April 08, 2009,
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All I can say is when does the COOP start?

After the beta testers get to test it. Hopefully all goes well and the coops would start right after that.

Rick R.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on April 08, 2009,
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Really GREAT RJ!

Forgive me as I'm positive I've not read this entire thread. In your testing so far,.. any interference between your FM transmitter and your LYNX Wireless DMX Transmitter? I think I already know the answer to this but thought I'd be consistent and ask. My appologies in advance.   :-[
Leon

Since it is on 2.4GHz and the FM is on about 100 Mhz no the two will not be an issue

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I must say im pretty impressed. nice work RJ.

i just hope the RF modules from microchip dont have a stock problem. should be ok but you never know.

have you done any interferance testing with other things? (cordless phones, wireless networks, bluetooth etc etc.)

hopefully the released version of the receiver module ends up being a but smaller. but overall nice job.

Peter

They have not had any problems each distributor has been keeping a few hundred in stock and the leads have been much shorter than they say on them. I can also get them from Microchip direct.

The modules will not get smaller as the limit is not just the connectors for the express but the size of the Ground plane needed on the bottom layer of the pcb. Any smaller it would be too small and range will suffer greatly.

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I just reread the entire thread, and didn't see any reference to my question I'm going to ask, but it's early in the morning, so here goes.....

I think this is amazing, so amazing that people who see my display may want to do this also. After all, I started getting hooked on this due to word of eye (can't use word of mouth here because I saw this on the internet, not heard it). If I do well enough, word of mouth is a source of bringing in new users also. Although I live on a fairly large piece of land, I could see the potential problem of conflicts if a nearby neighbor decides to use this system. Each of us could supposedly use a different universe, providing what I think is 3 possible solutions to the conflict with the universe-select jumper. But am I wrong in assuming this is the only solution right now?

With the simplicity of the RJ-developed stuff out there, they could really become the standard for home designed light displays. In a community like mine, I could see many users once they see the results of RJ's magnificent mind. If I were to see a display, I know I would ask how it was done and probably want to use the same equipment.

steve

The unit could be designed to handle 26 different channels that do not overlap each other. The issue and the reason for the three is most would overlap 802.11 channels and could be interfered with by wifi. The first two channel uni1 & uni2 is not part of the 802.11 band and uni3 barely at the edge of channel 11 of 802.11. This means the chance of interference from 802.11 is almost non existent on these channels. I am working at the bench with it next to my Wifi client unit and it has not been a problem 1 foot away.

As far as other shows near by, rotate through the three channels and by the forth house you should be out of range of the first so start over at uni1.

It could be an issue but it is something that would be on a case by case issue.  I can always program you pics with a different set of channels if needed but it would need to be a channel  not in use by 802.11 near you.

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All I can say is when does the COOP start?

As said when there has been a successful beta test program run. If it is a failure // never. Not likely but I have to say it as who knows what we find under the microscope. I am upbeat on it at this time.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: scorpia on April 08, 2009,
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Hi Peter

Just curious why you think the module should be smaller? The board is designed to fit into the solder pads that is already on the LE pcb.
Thanks
Rick

Rick,

well even though RJ has allready answered my question and explained that the ground plain basicly requires the board to be the size it is i thought i would explain anyway.


the board as i saw it had/has 1 flaw , that being the fact that it hangs over the top of the expressboard causing the space requried by the board to expanded dramaticly. being as most people will be placing the boards into the enclosure that RJ has recommended i dont see it being a huge problem but it would make a difference to some people. Also the fact that it hangs over the top means its easier to knock etc Now i understand that there are probably design considerations for having the board sit that high above the express but i thought it was worth mentioning.

ALso another thing to consider is that fact that any extra pcb that is not required is money out of our pockets and into the PCB house's pocket. so its generally worth making something smaller if possible.

 
overall nice design

regards

Peter


Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on April 08, 2009,
The over hang is required. The Ground plane size and over hang requirement is outlined in the microchip data sheet for the RF module if you are curious about it.

http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/70329b.pdf
Page 8 is what you are looking for.

As far as cases go that is why I posted a couple of warning about useing different cases if they wanted the wireless.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: scorpia on April 08, 2009,
yep,

thanks for the info RJ, the initial command was only a casual remark so don't take it to seriously . Looking at the pic in the manual you linked my guess is you have exceeded the minimums setout by microchip by quiet a margin, not a bad thing i guess. i guess my only comment would be that it seems that the antenna is the only part that needs to overhand not the entire wireless module.

Also i noticed that it looks like the antenna would have a much more uniform reception and probably better range if mounted vertically. something to keep in mind when doing the final max range tests.

thanks again for the info RJ, allways good.

Peter
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on April 09, 2009,
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yep,

thanks for the info RJ, the initial command was only a casual remark so don't take it to seriously . Looking at the pic in the manual you linked my guess is you have exceeded the minimums setout by microchip by quiet a margin, not a bad thing i guess. i guess my only comment would be that it seems that the antenna is the only part that needs to overhand not the entire wireless module.

Also i noticed that it looks like the antenna would have a much more uniform reception and probably better range if mounted vertically. something to keep in mind when doing the final max range tests.

thanks again for the info RJ, allways good.

Peter

I guess I am missing something, The antenna is the only thing over hanging the circuit board?

Forget it as you say it does not matter.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Ron on April 09, 2009,
Peter,

The receiver module is an integrated module, it is the orange portion of the picture RJ provided.  The antenna referred to in the manual that needs to be above the PCB is just the portion of the integrated module that RJ has out above his green PCB.  He doesn't have the entire wireless module overhanging the PCB, just the antenna.  The green PCB is basically a daughter board that can be plugged into the Lynx Express.  It does overhang the top of the LE PCB, but only to get the mounting correct, the needed components on the daughter board and the ground plane configured on the daughter board per Microchips specifications.  I don't see how it could be any smaller.

Also, the way the LEs are mounted in their recommended enclosures the antennas should be vertical.

Hope that helps.

Ron

***woops RJ beat me to it***
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on April 09, 2009,
If the issue is the cases you used, don't worry we already have a version of the receiver that is extenal in a small dongle sized case that has an RJ45 output to use on the Freestyle, SSR4, MR16, or other DMX device that is designed and the pcb's are being ordered for me to play with. You can use one of them and it is just a little more money as it has a AC adapter like the transmitter so it takes a few extra parts.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Ron on April 09, 2009,
Sweet RJ!  This just keeps getting better.

Ron
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on April 11, 2009,
Ok I am going to open a coop for the wireless stuff in the next day or so. I am doing this with the understanding that if a problem comes up in the beta testing it may have to be put on hold. The idea is to give people plenty of time to get in and be ready to roll once the beta is done so that we can get it to people the fastest we can. I am going to ask everyone to start with a few of them and try them out for your use. Then I will run a second coop were you can get lots if they work for your show (area, trees, size of yard, Etc.)

I have also decided with the help of a few people beating me up on it, that I will make the wireless avaliable to any DLA member not only Lynx equipment owners.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: MrChristmas2000 on April 11, 2009,
Sign me up!  :)
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: tpctech on April 11, 2009,
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Ok, Since I just finished a channel by channel test of the wireless to insure all 512 channels work and it passed that its time to say we have a working solution.

Time for an accountability meeting on where we are compared to the goals set for the wireless. In one of the first post of this thread I outlined my goals so lets review them and compare the outcome :

Goals
Outcome

 Single Full DMX Universe over wireless at 50ms.
  Single Full DMX Universe over wireless at 25ms

Cheap enough recievers to afford enough to do away with cat5 in a show
    Receivers for about $20

Transmitter that connects USB and is under $70 to build.  
Hooks to DMX and cost about $50


Confirming Transmitter is DMX in?   

Range of a least 500 ft to insure it is a usable system in the real world.
At Least this in open line of sight operation

 Works with Vixen (Of Course).
Works with any DMX application

color=green]Confirming Transmitter is DMX in?  [/color]


 Could run the shows we already have with no changes.
Does this

Average DLA user can build with little effort.
Believe we meet this easy

 Backwards compatable to be used on current equipment.
     No Problem

Able to be incorporated into a Lynx cheaply.
    Yes
 
And of course the most important one: "Be Cool enough that everyone wants them!"   
Only you can tell me this but I think it is pretty darn cool!

I think we did well on this one.

RJ


So I understand this.  DMX in wireless out .....to wireless in DMX out  1 transmitter to multiple recievers.  I am ready to buy! 

Thanks for another great toy!

KEN
tpctech
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: grossg on April 11, 2009,
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I am going to ask everyone to start with a few of them and try them out for your use.

So...is like 12 a few?  ;D

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I have also decided with the help of a few people beating me up on it, that I will make the wireless avaliable to any DLA member not only Lynx equipment owners.

Current DLA membership 04/11/09: 636 total members...

It will be interesting to see if this changes ;) any guesses?


Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Ron on April 11, 2009,
Do you have one of the external units working?  I don't think I have seen it mentioned until recently.  I'd love to see a picture if you have one.

Ron
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on April 11, 2009,
I have the proto running but the pcb's are not here yet to mount in the case.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Sloanhaus on April 11, 2009,
As I understand it, the transmitter is the dongle from the computer, the receivers go on the express and receive the signal, what is the rx board for? Also, how many express boards can I run off one Transmitter?

Thanks

Brad
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on April 11, 2009,
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As I understand it, the transmitter is the dongle from the computer, the receivers go on the express and receive the signal, what is the rx board for? Also, how many express boards can I run off one Transmitter?

Thanks

Brad

See the answer in your other post here :
http://diylightanimation.com/index.php?topic=1281.msg12243;topicseen#msg12243

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: abell on April 12, 2009,
TX - sends it got it.
EX/RX - receives it for expresses got it.
RX - Huh? So if I have a freestyle this recieves a signal to make my freestyle wireless? Or a SSR4 with DMX? Basically plug a little cat5 cable into the RX and I am receiving the DMX signal? Does the SSR have to have DMX? Or can I just use the SSR?

Adam
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on April 12, 2009,
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TX - sends it got it.
EX/RX - receives it for expresses got it.
RX - Huh? So if I have a freestyle this recieves a signal to make my freestyle wireless? Or a SSR4 with DMX? Basically plug a little cat5 cable into the RX and I am receiving the DMX signal? Does the SSR have to have DMX? Or can I just use the SSR?

Adam


Tx - yes
EX/RX - yes
RX - Yes but the SSR has to have DMX.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: deplanche on April 12, 2009,
I am confused.  I have the DMX dongle, 3 LEs, and 2 MR16 controllers currently.  If I want to go wireless what do I need to get?  And is there a difference if I wanted to daisy-chain them all together or if I wanted to run them all without wires connecting them?

If this is a stupid question, or if there is an obivous answer I am missing, blame it on me eating too much chocolate this Easter! :)
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on April 12, 2009,
OK here is a short wireless 101.

The problem is there are millions of combonations possible so I can only do generals.

First the TX,  for each dongle you will be using that you want to send the DMX out of it wirelessly you need a TX. This is because just like a dongle each TX can handle one universe or 512 channels in otherwords. 

1 Universe =   512 channels
One Dongle = One TX
Two Dongle = Two TX

You can have a maximum of 3 TX in your show or 1536 channels. This is because they are setup to been on one of three Freqencies handling a single universe on it. 

Ok now,

For each Express you do not want to run a Cat5 cable to the DMX in on, you need 1 EX/RX. 

EX/RX =  Lynx Wireless Express Module  (Receiver)

This unit is really cheap at about $20 a piece. It's job is to make it cheap to add wireless to every Express unit.

This express can be stand alone with no cat5 hooked to it and work all by itself wirelessly with the module inside providing it the DMX data.

-OR -

It can have no DMX input and if it is a Version 3 unit it can have a cat5 cable coming out of the DMX 2 output to hook to other DMX devices to send them DMX within the same 512 channels it is on.

In other words - One RX can do multiple device if they are cabled to the one with the receiver in a daisy chain.
 
This leaves just the RX unit :

This is a standalone Receiver that does not need an Express. It is a box like a dongle and has an antenna and a wall wart for power. It has one DMX output on it. Think of it as a remote DMX dongle. it works just like a dongle except it has no USB cable to hook to anything as the usb cable was replaced with an antenna and it has a wal wart for power.

You plug a cat5 cable from it to any DMX device you need to make wireless. and then you can daisy chain from the first device on to others just like a dongle.

This unit cost almost 2 1/2 time the cost of an EX/RX do to the power needs ect. It's job is to work on things not designed to have a RX module in them which currently is everything but the Express.

In the future any new items with the space to host it will have a Wireless slot like the Express for wireless so you can use the cheap module on it.

For example the redesign of the Freestyle to include the Express firmware with LNT will have a slot for it.

I hope this clears it up some for those I have put in a wireless fog.

RJ


Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: abell on April 12, 2009,
Thank you for the detailed description. Do you have any pictures to accompany it?

Just kidding, great detail I understand now.

Adam
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: deplanche on April 13, 2009,
So if one is using the TX with either the EX/RX or the RX, does they need a dongle still?
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: abell on April 13, 2009,
Yes, I remember reading in a previous post RJ said he wanted to do that, but beta users said it would lower the signal strength, or that we would have to run a longer USB cable to get the RF signal outside. Something along those lines...

RJ - when you read this, I think we are going to need a picture diagram thingy... I am starting to question my understanding now...
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: WWNF911 on April 13, 2009,
I believe RJ has already answered this in either the beta test thread or the question thread started by Sloanhaus. Sorry,.. I'd look it up / post but I'm currently posting from my phone.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Ron on April 13, 2009,
The short answer is yes, you need the dongle and the transmitter.  RJ discusses this in the following thread:

http://diylightanimation.com/index.php?topic=1281.0

Ron
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on April 14, 2009,
This is correct the Transmitter (TX) does not create DMX. It was going to in the original design but this setup gives us a lot of flexibility to get the TX where we want it to have the best coverage since the dongle is usb and has to stay close to the computer the dmx can be run from it to the TX 1000's of feet to put it where you need it to be.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: scorpia on April 15, 2009,
RJ / whoever,

first of all this is not about the express receiver. its about the standalone box.

im wondering if we need/want to have 3 different devices, doing a little bit of guessing here but isnt the RX device similar in hardware to the TX device but running different firmware? Is there a reason these couldnt be combinded into 1 device with maybe a firmware change depending on its job in life.

as i said i am guessing a little bit here as i have not seen pics of the RX but im figureing they will have the same basic hardware in them.

anyway im sure you have thought of this and have reasons for different devices .

Peter
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on April 15, 2009,
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RJ / whoever,

first of all this is not about the express receiver. its about the standalone box.

im wondering if we need/want to have 3 different devices, doing a little bit of guessing here but isnt the RX device similar in hardware to the TX device but running different firmware? Is there a reason these couldnt be combinded into 1 device with maybe a firmware change depending on its job in life.

as i said i am guessing a little bit here as i have not seen pics of the RX but im figureing they will have the same basic hardware in them.

anyway im sure you have thought of this and have reasons for different devices .

Peter

No,

 The hardware is similar but not the same.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: scorpia on April 15, 2009,
ok
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on April 21, 2009,
The new transmitter proto boards came in today. I have assembled one and posted a draft assembly manual for the beta testers. The Beat testers pcb's will go out in the mail tommorrow to them.

Just did not want everyone to think we fell asleep. We do all the beta testing in a seperate area for beta testers. This is to prevent people from jumping the gun and trynig to order parts ect before the beta testing is finished. If changes need to be made I prefer no one but the beta testers and I have spent money on the parts. They sign on for this when the except the job.  LOL

(BTW, We have always had awesome beta testers. These guys will throw away hardware to start over if it means having something better in the end for our users. Check out the Freestyle threads where they did this once.)

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on April 23, 2009,
The standalone Proto Wireless RX boards came in today. I rushed one together to take with me to the GA mini. Works great! I would post a picture but the batteries are out of the camera charging at the moment for the trip.

Will be leave 6 am in the morning and driving all day to be there.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: rrowan on April 23, 2009,
I thought you were taking your Plane?

Either way have a safe and fun trip

Cheers

Rick R.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: WWNF911 on April 23, 2009,
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I thought you were taking your Plane?

Either way have a safe and fun trip

Cheers

Rick R.

Maybe the luckiest guys in Florida thread scared him off that for a while.  :0)
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on April 23, 2009,
No I have intended to drive all along. The wife and I are leaveing there and doing a little vacationing.

Sorry to ruin the rumor.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on April 25, 2009,
Demoed the wireless at the Georgia Mini. Including the Standalone receiver (RX). Worked very well.  Got the chance to put in in the front yard with the Transmitter in the tent in the back yard with the house and trees between. Worked perfect.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: PJNMCT on April 25, 2009,
That's real good news...

-Paul
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on April 27, 2009,
Video as promised!

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: wjgiles50 on April 27, 2009,
This explains the flurry of new people on the board.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: rrowan on April 27, 2009,
Hi RJ,

Great job on the video demo and it looks like a fun time was had by all

Cheers

Rick R.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: claytor1999 on April 27, 2009,
Thanks for the video RJ - glad you had a good time.

Robb

Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: kylec on April 27, 2009,
Nice!  Thanks for the video RJ!

Kyle   ;D ;D
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: wbuehler on April 28, 2009,
Nice video

Bill

Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Cobergas on April 29, 2009,
Yes that explains the new flurry of people to the board... Me included. I was totally sold during the presentation and was super sold when tested around the yard with the MR16's running wireless from the backyard transmitter.



Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: blearning on April 29, 2009,
I showed Tara (my wife) the video ..all she had to say was "I had better not be in there"  LOL

we had a blast, and it was so cool to Lynx in action 

there was discussion on another thread with hillside ... the lot we were on slopes about 6 feet from where the RX was to the TX, so we were going up hill about 6 feet all together.

we also had wireless 5.4 and some 2.4 stuff in the area.  As well as several live FM transmissions.

not much of an incline but still noteworthy   
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: vairmoose on April 30, 2009,
Just a quick update here.   

Finished assembling a beta setup...    LE receiver and transmitter. 

Plugged into one LE.......      FULL SUCCESS!!!!!!!!
The wireless Does work.........       Highly recommend using the premachined casing vs attempting to cut the cases yourself.   The couple extra dollars will be well worth it. 

Larry.   
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: KeithTarpley on May 01, 2009,
Greetings,,,

Congrats, Larry.

Keith
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: wbuehler on May 01, 2009,
Awesome Larry

Bill


Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on May 02, 2009,
Ok I have a setup to allow you to use the cheaper EX/RX module in SSR4's and Freestyles.  It will cost you an additional $1.11 to do it above using one in the Express.

It is simple and I will be posting about it soon. You can only run the unit you put it in as it will not have an output on the SSR4 and freestyle to run other items.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on May 02, 2009,
First you need a mouser PN# 535-08-600-10 and then solder three small wires to pin #1,5 & 8 as shown on the attached picture. Then attach them to the Express Receiver Module by sticking the through the front in the holes as shown where the 4 pin headers go.  Do not put wires on the other pins the pic has them to give reference to which pin is which.  ( the picture is looking at the top of the module).

You would leave the two 4 pin headers off the module and not solder them on.

Then using a good quality Double sided tape after cleaning the surfaces you stick the receiver module into the top of the SSR4 case or the freestyle case and plug the adapter into the RS 485 chips socket with it removed. Make sure pin one is plugged into pin 1.

Presto! you have $20 wireless in these devices.

I have not tested it but it will work just fine.

RJ

Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: WWNF911 on May 03, 2009,
Thanks for that RJ!

I'll keep it in mind in a pinch. I had planned on using the other (RX) module as it would allow me to daisy chain.  Right?  LOL

Maybe I'll do it at least on one just to prove I can. Then I'll know how to do it in an emergency.  :)

I appreciate all your work and the Beta testers as well.  Wish I was closer to the mini's

Leon
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: KeithTarpley on May 03, 2009,
Greetings,,,,

hmmmm....

Keith
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: knguyen916 on May 03, 2009,
So basically what you are saying is now we have an option between the Ex/Rx (for Express) with a 3 wire simple mod to work other Lynx Dmx hardware or the Rx (designed for other dmx hardware)?


Now that is awesome. Thanks ;D


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Ok I have a setup to allow you to use the cheaper EX/RX module in SSR4's and Freestyles.  It will cost you an additional $1.11 to do it above using one in the Express.

It is simple and I will be posting about it soon. You can only run the unit you put it in as it will not have an output on the SSR4 and freestyle to run other items.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on May 03, 2009,
Yes I am hoping to get a beta test done with it before we jump on it but should be no problem as long as you keep the wires short and away from the noisy items the best you can.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: ThaiWay on May 13, 2009,
Let me get this straight... the standalone RX will allow other controllers to be daisy chained from the controller it is plugged into... and the EX/RX mod plugged into any Lynx controller will not?

I am excited about the possibility of wireless control of my Lynx and SSR4DMX in addition to the LE's, so the daisy chain factor would be important in determining how many of which module to order.

John
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on May 13, 2009,
That is correct John.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: wbe12345 on May 18, 2009,
RJ

Would this scheme work also for LOR/D-light controllers as long as the controllers are firmare update to run with DMX?


thanks
Wallace
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on May 18, 2009,
I would recommend you use the external RX for that. too many gotcha's possible. Not sure what they use as a transceiver?  Is there enough current to run it avaliable? 

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on May 20, 2009,
Beta testers should be receiving the Proto pcb's of the Standalone RX units to test.  Just wanted everyone to know we are still testing we have not forgot about it. We may be changing the connectors on the EX module to make it fit tighter on to the Express when plugged in. We have changed the wall wart to a less expensive unit to save some money on the TX and RX. We are still working to make it the best we can for everyone and to try and insure it is as trouble free a design as possible while being as cheap to build as possible.   

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on May 25, 2009,
I know there are a lot of users waiting for the Wireless Beta to complete and little info on progress so one of the most numerous questions I keep getting is

"Whats going on in the beta and when will it be finished?"

Well first for the rumors that like to always pop up :

No there are no big issues that have us all quite. We have been making small incremetal improvments to the design all through the beta to give you the best product we can.

What this means is parts and code changes happen and require us to start testing again. 

So that you understand what kind of changes here are a few that have been made permanant. And few of these show why you do not release a parts list for a device in beta.

The power wall wart on the TX and the standalone RX has been changed. This gave us a less exspensive one that actually runs the voltage regulators cooler,waste less power, saves you money and is stocked in larger quanities with shorter lead times.

The connectors on the express module was changed with a lot of work on Vairmoose's part to find a much better connector that prevent the plugging in of the module incorrectly and supports the module much better with a tighter fit.

A few changes to the PCB's have been made to make assembly easier.

The firmware has been tweaked to increase the performance of the system.

The adapted express modules were tested on a SSR4 to verfy that it appears to function as I expected and posted.

We have a real crackerjack Beta team on this and at this point they have given it the go ahead for their shows so I believe we will give it the go ahead for everyone elses very soon.

This means we can close the coops for the stuff and get it coming. Make sure you have what you want in the coops as I will not wait after the go ahead is given and will move right ahead to get the stuff moving.

The pcb's will get ordered and as soon as I can get them back, some will be sent to the case manufactor to fit cases for us and they will start machining them.

The parts coop can get ordered so that the backorders get moving. I know the RF modules are backordered so Bill will want to get our orders in as soon a possible so you can be building as soon as possible.

What I am saying is do not sit waiting to enter you coop orders till the beta is over as it will be too late.  I do not want all the PM's later like with the expresses complianing you did not get what you need in the coop.

I expect this will be the only coop for the wireless this year as the demand will be met.  I will have some spare PCB's as normal but they are intended for new members not for the members that just never got around to ordering on the coops.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: ThaiWay on May 25, 2009,
Very informative post RJ... thanks for the headsup!

John
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on May 28, 2009,
Things are looking good. I got a new tester toy in the mail today. A member loaned it to me to play with and I will do some checking with it this weekend and if all looks good and the beta guys get some more outside testing done this weekend, we may close beta and get stuff ordered sometime early next week for the wireless!    8)

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on May 29, 2009,
Here's a video of me testing the wireless using N1ist's grid he loaned me. Neat tool!
Got to have a couple.

Looks like the Wireless DMX is a GO!!!!!!!

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Ron on June 02, 2009,
Here are a couple of videos from my beta testing demonstrating some of the range of the wireless DMX modules.  The longer video shows all the parts of the wireless system.  The cool video is just a nice shot of my three Lynx Express controllers running wireless DMX.

Ron
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Sloanhaus on June 02, 2009,
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Here's a video of me testing the wireless using N1ist's grid he loaned me. Neat tool!
Got to have a couple.

Looks like the Wireless DMX is a GO!!!!!!!

RJ


Awesome, I assume that since its a go the coop's will close in the next couple days as you had said in your earlier post? I could really use 2 by July 4th even if I have to buy the parts at list price.

Thanks for everything RJ,

Brad
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on June 03, 2009,
No it is not quite ready for release. I doubt you will have it and be able to have it built by then.
The PCB's take almost 3 weeks and that does not include waiting on people to pay and the time to sort and ship.
RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: REM on June 16, 2009,
How are we lookin'?  Getting any closer on finishing the beta?  I didn't see any updates on the related co-op boards so I figured I'd ask here.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on June 16, 2009,
Still in beta, hope to have something to report in a week and a half or so.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on June 19, 2009,
The Updated PCB's with all of the improvements that where made during beta should be here the end of next week. We will build them and test as soon as possible and if all works well we will be able to close the beta and order the PCB's for all.

I already have a rough manual and will begin a new updated one with the PCB's that are on the way. This way the manual will be avaliable before the PCB's are.

We owe the beta's a hand for all the work they have put in. They have really improved the units in a number of ways to make it a great setup.  I do not think for the money it cost there is any Wireless that will compete with it. I expect it to be a major player in the Lynx line up right there with the Expresses and Dongles.

With the release of the Lynx Conductor next year the line up will compete with systems many times it's cost and require no computer or cables other than power to operate.  Another step on the way to where we are going! hang in there the ride is just getting going.
 
RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: WWNF911 on June 20, 2009,
Whoa,....... The conductor? Did I miss something?

Please,... Sir RJ, what is the LYNX Conductor?

My shoes are getting wet!!!!!!


Leon
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: rrowan on June 20, 2009,
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Whoa,....... The conductor? Did I miss something?

Please,... Sir RJ, what is the LYNX Conductor?

My shoes are getting wet!!!!!!


Leon

Well Leon

That is called a Tease

We are not allow to tell anybody about it yet

Cheers

Rick R.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: wjt3 on June 20, 2009,
WOW, that is a serious tease!!! RJ gave us some very good clues. If the Conductor is anything close to what I'm thinking, it will be sweet. When the time is right, this will be a big time announcement. This is a fun ride...Bill
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: rrowan on June 20, 2009,
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WOW, that is a serious tease!!! RJ gave us some very good clues. If the Conductor is anything close to what I'm thinking, it will be sweet. When the time is right, this will be a big time announcement. This is a fun ride...Bill

Yes the announcement will be on 60 minutes

LOL, Just Kidding

When RJ is ready I am sure it will be posted in the announcement forum

Cheers

Rick R.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on June 20, 2009,
It is really not anything new it just finally has a name.  I've called it the stand alone player and such but I come up with a name for it thinking about an Orchestra. That is kind of what our controllers are to us. The are the musicians in an Orchestra. So who leads and tells them what to do and when? The Conductor.

It is just the next step in completing the Lynx Line. The unit has some interesting charatiristics that will make it very useful to alot of people.

The full details will all be released when it is much closer to release. Will not be for this season. The Wireless was the new control device for this season.

RJ

Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: rrowan on June 20, 2009,
When its ready

Do we need to wear black tuxedo with tails and get a small stick to wave around?

:D

Rick R.

P.S, Trust me that would be better then me trying to sing
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on June 20, 2009,
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When its ready

Do we need to wear black tuxedo with tails and get a small stick to wave around?

:D

Rick R.

P.S, Trust me that would be better then me trying to sing

If you want to Rick. It won't be our boys in green that have to baker act you.   ;D

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Brad on June 20, 2009,
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The Updated PCB's with all of the improvements that where made during beta should be here the end of next week. We will build them and test as soon as possible and if all works well we will be able to close the beta and order the PCB's for all.

I already have a rough manual and will begin a new updated one with the PCB's that are on the way. This way the manual will be avaliable before the PCB's are.

We owe the beta's a hand for all the work they have put in. They have really improved the units in a number of ways to make it a great setup.  I do not think for the money it cost there is any Wireless that will compete with it. I expect it to be a major player in the Lynx line up right there with the Expresses and Dongles.

With the release of the Lynx Conductor next year the line up will compete with systems many times it's cost and require no computer or cables other than power to operate.  Another step on the way to where we are going! hang in there the ride is just getting going.
 
RJ

Gang,

Sounds like RJ has gone off the deep end....Conductor???? wireless???? (that's an oxymoron???) .....No Computer????
What the????? Now what do I do with the dedicated-to-Christmas-Light-Shows computer, in the garage????? Sheesh....
Guys, and gals, it sounds like RJ will have a Plug-and-Play system for 2010....HOW COOL IS THAT?? ;D

RJ, please know this is all in fun....can't wait to see what you have up your sleeve.
...and oh yeah....you beta testers rock too. I really enjoyed following the Beta thread.

Thanks Guys,
Brad


 
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: PJNMCT on June 20, 2009,
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The Updated PCB's with all of the improvements that where made during beta should be here the end of next week. We will build them and test as soon as possible and if all works well we will be able to close the beta and order the PCB's for all.

I already have a rough manual and will begin a new updated one with the PCB's that are on the way. This way the manual will be avaliable before the PCB's are.

We owe the beta's a hand for all the work they have put in. They have really improved the units in a number of ways to make it a great setup.  I do not think for the money it cost there is any Wireless that will compete with it. I expect it to be a major player in the Lynx line up right there with the Expresses and Dongles.

With the release of the Lynx Conductor next year the line up will compete with systems many times it's cost and require no computer or cables other than power to operate.  Another step on the way to where we are going! hang in there the ride is just getting going.
 
RJ

Gang,

Sounds like RJ has gone off the deep end....Conductor???? wireless???? (that's an oxymoron???) .....No Computer????
What the????? Now what do I do with the dedicated-to-Christmas-Light-Shows computer, in the garage????? Sheesh....
Guys, and gals, it sounds like RJ will have a Plug-and-Play system for 2010....HOW COOL IS THAT?? ;D

RJ, please know this is all in fun....can't wait to see what you have up your sleeve.
...and oh yeah....you beta testers rock too. I really enjoyed following the Beta thread.

Thanks Guys,
Brad


 

We call 'em "Show Playback Computers" at the MouseHouse!

-Paul
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: lonewolf41 on June 20, 2009,
Sounds a lot like the Helix system.  The on board MP3 player is pretty neat.  I was just thinking the other day that I can't wait for a similar design for the Lynx. 
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on June 21, 2009,
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Sounds a lot like the Helix system.  The on board MP3 player is pretty neat.  I was just thinking the other day that I can't wait for a similar design for the Lynx. 

Not really,  you will understand when you see how it works.

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: REM on June 21, 2009,
That would be awesome to say the least.  Conductor is a pretty good name I think although people like us think of the electrical meaning first as eluded to earlier.  An alternative to "Orchestra" might be "Orchestrator" or how about "Maestro" (we think of it in terms of simply the music conductor but literally translated it means 'master' which still fits well).

Ron
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: vairmoose on June 21, 2009,

From the internet Wikopedia: 

Conductor (E-Z Rollers album), an album by drum and bass group E-Z Rollers
Conductor (album), an album by indie rock band The Comas
Conductor (music), a person who leads a musical ensemble by way of visible gestures "Conduction", a type of structured free improvisation in music notably practiced by Butch Morris
In mathematics:

Conductor (ring theory), an ideal of a ring that measures how far it is from being integrally closed
Conductor (transportation), a person who sells and checks tickets on a bus, train, etc.
Conductor of an abelian variety, a description of its bad reduction
Conductor of a Dirichlet character
In science:

Electrical conductor, a material allowing the flow of electric current

Electrical conduction, the movement of charged particles through an electrical conductor
Fast ion conductor, a solid state electrical conductor which conducts due to the movement of ions
Heat conduction, the transfer of thermal energy through matter
Other uses:
This works for me!

Larry
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on June 21, 2009,
And the worst part of it all? 

  I Hi Jacked my own thread!

::)

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: rrowan on June 21, 2009,
Well if you want to you CAN split this off unto another topic

LOL

Sorry that I helped in the high jacket thingy LOL

Rick R.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on June 21, 2009,
We now return you to your regular scheduled program!  ;D

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: rkonnen on July 08, 2009,
RJ,
  Anything I could help with on the case for this unit?
 regards,
  Richard Konnen
R.E.K. machine & Mold
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: RJ on July 08, 2009,
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RJ,
  Anything I could help with on the case for this unit?
 regards,
  Richard Konnen
R.E.K. machine & Mold

Richard,

 Polycase is selling us machined cases so cheap for these little units: http://diylightanimation.com/index.php?topic=1339.0

I do not think you could build anything this cheap. But you are the guy who can tell me!  ;)

RJ
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: rkonnen on July 09, 2009,
RJ,
  I wouldn't mind working on a mold set for future sales. I could mold a case that can be retailed for $3.50ea any quantity and  be able to provide for OEM price.
Richard
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: Sloanhaus on August 21, 2009,
At that price, I would be interested in 6.
Title: Re: WIRELESS DMX PROJECT UPDATE
Post by: WWNF911 on September 13, 2009,
Well,

Had a little emergency tonight. My wife had a friend in need, so we had to pack up suddenly and go to help.

Prior to that though, I had my 1st little wireless moment. :D :D :D

I'm back now and working on my next step. I'm soooo excited,.... oooo I think I just wet myself.   :o   ;D

Leon