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Hardware => Lynx SSR4 => Topic started by: mkozik1 on July 23, 2012,
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Wondering about the new SSR v3 PCBs that are in the store right now. Looking in the Wiki, the Mouser parts list shows for the v2 model and not the v3. Is this still applicable or is there a new parts list coming out to satisfy the v3 PCBs?
Thanks in advance,
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I built the beta of the SSR4 and promised Rick and RJ I would update the Wiki; I forgot I made that promise.
You should see the Wiki updated in the next few days.
Thanks.
\dmc
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The mouser bom for the SSR4 shows v2 but its really parts for the v3 pcb
The only changes are the transformer and the voltage regulator.
So if you have the ssr4 v3 pcb then you can go ahead and use the mouser link
Rick R.
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Awesome - Thanks guys, I appreciate the help!!
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I have 5 SSR4 v2 boards .... was planning on building them soon.
So this thread was very helpful to find, as I had bought two legacy SSR4 v2 (Blue) transformers and then bought 3 more on mouser SSR4 BOM thinking it was for the v2, but it was for the new v3 (just labeled as v2 on mouser bom). I notice now that the legs on the new v3 transformers are in a different pattern on the new v3 transformers.
This is when I started to scratch my head and get a little concerned.
So I have 3 of the (v3?) transformers which do not fit my SSR4 v2 boards. If I buy the ssr V3 boards, they will fit the new transformers, correct?
Also, the picture in the store of the ssr v3 board appears to be a v2 board ? ... because the transformer pins looks like the old not the new. This is all very confusing.
So what is shown in the store:
picture of ssr4 v3 board -----(is actually)-----> a ssr4 v2 board ?
And what is listed under the wiki BOM for the SSR4 [ doesn't mentioned v2 or v3 ] -----(is actually)-----> the SSR4 v3 BOM, but just mislabled as v2 on mouser still ?
So there is also a mention of the voltage regulator changing for the v3 ... so I apparently ordered (5) of whats on the current ssr4 mouser BOM (5/2012) ... part 821-TS2940CZ50
and I'm wondering what the older ssr3 part# for the OLD regulator was (since it apparently changed and I have 2 of those V2's) Do I have the correct parts to build even a couple SSR4 v2(s) at this point?
Any help appreciate. I'm thinking I could go to the store and order (3) ssr4 v3 pcbs ... and perhaps a couple of the old voltage regulators (if they changed) to complete the (2) ssr4 v2(s) I have parts for.
Sorry for the long rambling post.
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The v2 SSR4 transformers are no longer available. We did an end of life buy of the remaining stock last year. That's why the v3 was born.
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Right, I have two v2 transformers from that effort . I think the problem was I ordered parts and ended up accidentally getting v3 parts with my v2 boards and v2 transformers .
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I'm putting together two ssc4 kits with the two blue transformers I have which fit my ssr4 v2 boards.
Can anyone confirm which voltage regulator and transformer combination is correct for v2 vs v3 ssr4 boards?
I also have several 6 pin transformers but they don't fit the boards I have. So I'm hoping my pile of parts is enough to salvage 2 good ssr4's !
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The blue Pulse transformer took a regular 7805 ...
Here's the one that was in the 2009 BOM:
http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=L7805ABVvirtualkey51120000virtualkey511-L7805ABV
FWIW, I opened the 2013 BOM just now and note that two items are no longer stocked (the 180-ohm resistor is no big deal but the Little Fuse clips might be) and a third is EOL (ST appears to be getting out of the through-hole line-driver business) though there still are 4800 in stock.
\dmc
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Fortunately, I already have the 180-ohm and the little fuse clips, but the regulator I got was the TS2940 (821-TS2940CZ50). Will it work?
Looks like both are 5v and one thew TS2940 is 1A output vs. 1.5A (v3?) output on the L7805 (v2?)
I have v2 ssr4 board.
All I plan on running on these are very small items, like 1-2 strings of .33a mini lights per ch.
Is the old BOM on file anywhere?
I noticed Mouser keeps a detailed record of all your old orders, if anyone has the v2 bom.
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Fortunately, I already have the 180-ohm and the little fuse clips, but the regulator I got was the TS2940 (821-TS2940CZ50). Will it work?
Looks like both are 5v and one thew TS2940 is 1A output vs. 1.5A (v3?) output on the L7805 (v2?)
It should work, but why not go with the correct part? You can pick one up at most Radio Shacks:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062599
Is the old BOM on file anywhere?
I noticed Mouser keeps a detailed record of all your old orders, if anyone has the v2 bom.
Here's mine:
https://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/ProjectDetail.aspx?AccessID=b814068cf4
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Thanks for the BOM.
Wow, lots of parts are different, not just transformer and volt reg.
Probably most are just equivalent or near equivalent I guessing. This kit is probably so old that the parts are just all over the map these days.
I think I'll stick with the parts Imhave because they are almost identical to the current ssr4 wiki BOM but way different than yours.
I'm just hoping the transformer diff won't matter.
Scott
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For the fuse clip, they list a fuse clip replacement ending with a "Z" as opposed to the original ending with a "H", I don't see what the differnce is?
For the 180 ohm resister, they show they have the RoHS version in stock, just not the non-RoHS version?
I Have a bunch of v2 that I need to populate for freestyle projects and hope I am not missing something in what I am reading?
Jerry
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Does anyone have a picture of ssr4 v3 board that they can post? Just wondering whats different from v2 boards.
I notice my v2 doesn't need the mod (Cutting a trace off the 120) mentioned at in the ssr4 forum.
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http://www.diylightanimation.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:V2-SSR4-2.jpg
http://www.diylightanimation.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:V2-SSR4-3.jpg
http://www.diylightanimation.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:V2-SSR4-4.jpg
http://www.diylightanimation.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:V2-SSR4-5.jpg
http://www.diylightanimation.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:V2-SSR4-7.jpg
http://www.diylightanimation.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:V2-SSR4-8.jpg
http://www.diylightanimation.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:V2-SSR4-9.jpg
\dmc
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Thanks, it appears the 3 remaining transformers I have match the v3 ssr4 board pin out (6 pin) ... I guess I need to swap my v2 boards for v3 or swap transformers.
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Scott:
The board redesign was specifically done because of the end of life on the four-pin, blue Pulse transformers.
If you have the six-pin Hammond transformer, you need the v3 boards.
Do not try to use the v2 boards with the v3 BOM.
HTH.
\dmc
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Wow, wish I knew that earlier.
I already have two v2 boards almost done ... Using the wrong parts.
So are you saying it won't work ?
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I had two blue transformers and three of the six pin transformers.
I started the two with the blue transformers but otherwise with latest BoM parts.
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So are you saying it won't work ?
No, I'm just saying I wouldn't recommend using v3 BOM parts on a v2 board.
I haven't done a component-by-component comparison to determine why some pieces were changed (i.e.: Functionally the same but a better price? An attempt to standardize parts across projects?).
I'm hoping RJ will step in here and give you a definitive answer.
\dmc
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The transformer was no longer avaliable so we had to chage it. In the process I changed the Voltage regulator to allow it to drop out at a lower voltage so we did not have the issues with running high loads on long cords we saw in some cases.
I believe the pin out of the regulators are different if I am remembering correctly so you must use the correct Voltage regulator on the correct version. The transformers will not interchange either.
RJ
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Thanks RJ (and everyone else for that matter). Sorry that its taken me this long to "get it".
I think if I will use (2) of my old v2 boards with the (2) blue transformers I have (matches v2 transformer pinout) ... and then acquire a 7805 voltage regulator to match the v2 transformer. I'm assuming the other part changes are not significant.
I have ordered some v3 boards (3), and already have (3) v3 transformers -- so those should work with the v3 BOM parts I already have.
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Scott:
Glad it all worked out.
\dmc
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Ok, I'm putting these v2 ssr4 together a
With the 7805 regs and the old blue transformer.
I have the new part df01m 1amp 100volt and the
Old bom used a df005m 1amp 50volt bridge rectifier.
Can I use the 100 volt or should I get the df005m instead?
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I believe that the new component is more tolerant (it does 100 volts) than the old component (it only does 50 volts). I think in the world of bridge rectifiers, you can always have more tolerance but never less.
I would say the new component is fine on the old board.
\dmc
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Thanks again!
<fp. I just royally messed up and destroyed my v2 boards in the process. <fp.
Luckily I still have the v3 boards and the correct parts for those. oh brother
that v2 was a nightmare I'll want to forget soon -- this is my first kit failure -- lol
<md..
I put the 7805 in the wrong spot (the board doesn't label the triacs vs. volt reg
and STUPID me ... I put them in wrong places, then destroyed the board moving them.
Oh well, I learned my lesson ... how embarassing
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I put the 7805 in the wrong spot (the board doesn't label the triacs vs. volt reg
and STUPID me ... I put them in wrong places, then destroyed the board moving them.
Oh well, I learned my lesson ... how embarassing
Yes, could happen to anyone ... I was de-soldering a couple of components both yesterday and today for dumb mistakes.
\dmc
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Well today I outdid myself, I knocked something over on my desk which knocked something else over, which knocked my coffee cup over, which then poured coffee into a power up ssr4 that I was trying to program the start channel for. Talked about nutty stupid stuff ... omg, I'm cursed with the ssr4 for some reason.
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Don't feel too bad. I sat on my first Active Hub and cracked it in half. (I sat on a LE4 too.) Now I check where I'm about to sit before I sit. :)
(Can you drown the SSR4 in 91% alcohol?)
:) joe
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I think that it was poweed up while it was introduced to coffee which indocated that the magic smoke was probably released.