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Re: What is a Lynx Smart String?
« Reply #75 on: November 05, 2010, »
This might not be possible, but I am going to ask. How would I integrate this into my existing LOR network/hardware? Would I use an iDMX for every 512 controllable channels or how do I interface with PixelNET?

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Mike
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Re: What is a Lynx Smart String?
« Reply #76 on: November 06, 2010, »
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This might not be possible, but I am going to ask. How would I integrate this into my existing LOR network/hardware? Would I use an iDMX for every 512 controllable channels or how do I interface with PixelNET?

Thanks,
Mike

Probably the easiest way would be get a Lynx dongle from RJ and reflash it so it is a Pixalnet dongle.  So you would be running your iDMX and the PixalNet dongle.  So you basically would have your pixalnet set up different from your LOR Equipment.  The other thing is you would need Vixen or LSP.




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Re: What is a Lynx Smart String?
« Reply #77 on: November 06, 2010, »
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This might not be possible, but I am going to ask. How would I integrate this into my existing LOR network/hardware? Would I use an iDMX for every 512 controllable channels or how do I interface with PixelNET?

Thanks,
Mike

Probably the easiest way would be get a Lynx dongle from RJ and reflash it so it is a Pixalnet dongle.  So you would be running your iDMX and the PixalNet dongle.  So you basically would have your pixalnet set up different from your LOR Equipment.  The other thing is you would need Vixen or LSP.





So you are saying I would basically have to run two different shows? There would be no way to program the pixelnet from LOR software? It's not just the iDMX I am worried about, its all the controllers as well. I wish I had discovered this before making the leap into LOR but I am sort of invested now and hate to lose all that investment.

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Re: What is a Lynx Smart String?
« Reply #78 on: November 06, 2010, »
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So you are saying I would basically have to run two different shows? There would be no way to program the pixelnet from LOR software? It's not just the iDMX I am worried about, its all the controllers as well. I wish I had discovered this before making the leap into LOR but I am sort of invested now and hate to lose all that investment.

Mike
 

I think the biggest issue, would be the fact the LOR software only talks "LOR" and not DMX, so trying to run PixelNet from that software would be your issue.  Sounds like the easiest fix is to jump over to Vixen or LSP and convert your sequences.  Using Vixen or LSP you might be able to just use a Lynx Dongle modified for Pixelnet send that to the controller and use the DMX out of the controller to your LOR equipment, since they will see DMX.

Hope that helps and I am sure someone with LOR will jump in and give you the exact set up needed.  My neighbor has LOR and Lynx stuff and had no issues integrating them together.


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Re: What is a Lynx Smart String?
« Reply #79 on: November 06, 2010, »
I think that the issue that many seem to be missing is that Pixelnet is a seperate protocol.  It is NOT DMX.  Because of that, the IDMX controllers would be useless.  I don't see any easy way to integrate Pixelnet into a LOR network but that doesn't make it impossible either.
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I think that the issue that many seem to be missing is that Pixelnet is a seperate protocol.  It is NOT DMX.  Because of that, the IDMX controllers would be useless.  I don't see any easy way to integrate Pixelnet into a LOR network but that doesn't make it impossible either.

I guess I should have posed this question better. What I was looking for is if anyone had any ideas on how to go about doing the protocol conversion (LOR -> PixelNet). I think I remember earlier in this thread that RJ said the protocol would be open, so maybe I will be able to figure out a way when that is released. Or maybe I am better off switching ti LSP or Vixen, but I would loose my LOR investment. I will have to wait and see what details and ideas come out. Thanks all for your comments and suggestions.

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Re: What is a Lynx Smart String?
« Reply #81 on: November 06, 2010, »
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I think that the issue that many seem to be missing is that Pixelnet is a seperate protocol.  It is NOT DMX.  Because of that, the IDMX controllers would be useless.  I don't see any easy way to integrate Pixelnet into a LOR network but that doesn't make it impossible either.

I guess I should have posed this question better. What I was looking for is if anyone had any ideas on how to go about doing the protocol conversion (LOR -> PixelNet). I think I remember earlier in this thread that RJ said the protocol would be open, so maybe I will be able to figure out a way when that is released. Or maybe I am better off switching ti LSP or Vixen, but I would loose my LOR investment. I will have to wait and see what details and ideas come out. Thanks all for your comments and suggestions.

Mike

It is not hard for me to make a box that converts LOR to PixelNet, Just as it is possible to make firmware for the Expresses that would run either DMX or LOR protocol.

The issue is LOR is not an open protocol and so without Dan and his people saying it is OK I do not believe it is right to do so. They are in business and this is their lively hood. I do it as a hobby and so it is done for the enjoyment for me. I doubt they would ever tell me it is OK so the flip is the protocol to run it will be published shortly and they will be more than welcome to include it into their software to run my smart strings. I do not expect this either because it would then compete with the Cosmic Color Ribbons which they likely do not want.

They are a great company and people, but that is the point they are a company, when you sell finished products or make profits from them it is a business you are not here to give stuff away like we are but instead to make money on it and get as many people to use it as you can.

Getting as many people to use our stuff as possible is a pride thing for us. For them it is about paying their people and putting food on the table.

If I could have made it LOR compatible I would is the point, but I can not mess with businesses like LOR, What if they decided I was infringing on the protocol? Then they sue me and the hobby that I have no income from cost me lots of money. Then I have to stop designing stuff.

 Right now we are small enough I doubt they pay any attention to us at all. I know who Dan at LOR is but I seriously doubt he knows who RJ is?

Now if lots of users like our stuff enough that they move from Lor S2 to LSP just because they can not run our stuff in LOR software. They may take notice and be more open to adding the protocols into S2 or allowing use to make our stuff work with it. Again this is likely not going to happen.

Sorry,
All this ramboling was just to explain why it is not compatible with LOR.  <fp.

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Re: What is a Lynx Smart String?
« Reply #82 on: November 06, 2010, »
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It is not hard for me to make a box that converts LOR to PixelNet, Just as it is possible to make firmware for the Expresses that would run either DMX or LOR protocol.

 Sorry,
All this ramboling was just to explain why it is not compatible with LOR.  <fp.

RJ

RJ, Am I correct under the assumption that LOR boxes can run DMX so if a person with LOR Hardware (not software since that only sends out the LOR protocol) and Vixen or LSP can run the modified dongle to send Pixelnet to the controller and you said there is a DMX out to give you 512 channels of DMX.  You can then run that to the LOR boxes and Cat 5 daisy chain from there.  That should work correct?

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Re: What is a Lynx Smart String?
« Reply #83 on: November 06, 2010, »
Yes, When I say LOR compatible I mean with their software. Anyone can use LOR boxes as DMX devices with Vixen or LSP using Lynx hardware along side it.

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RJ, I know you have mentioned a computer power supply for use with these.  What ratings in the power supply are you looking at to cover everything.  Reason, I ask is I used one of these during another project this year and are nice and think and fit in the standard Express enclosure, which obviously a computer one would not and am curious if it would power these nicely (or what limits to powering them).

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Is it a good idea to put the power supply into a standard Express case?  Looking at the specs of that PS, it relies on air flow to keep the unit cool (no fan).  The Express case has no holes.  So you would have to mount a fan and cut holes into the case.  Which is both possible, but then how do you address weather resistance.

Actually, that's an interesting thought.  Is the idea to put the injector/splitter in the yard with the power supply?  Or would you put this in the house/garage and run cat 5 cables all over?



Nice looking PS BTW. 

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Re: What is a Lynx Smart String?
« Reply #86 on: November 06, 2010, »
Ok I think the thread is getting a little hijacked with all the "this is what I am going to do ect".

This thread in about the Lynx Smart Strings lets try to keep it on track please. not gripping it's just as much my fault but we need to get back to the topic.

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Re: What is a Lynx Smart String?
« Reply #87 on: November 07, 2010, »
RJ - I know you are getting ready for your show and busy as can be (I assume there will be some video of your Smart String Mega tree to wet our appetite)

 >.d9

But any chance to get a chase / fading to colors demo video to wet our whistle before then?  IE Chasing like 2 or 3 pixals down and back the strand, fading from colors.  I have a vision of using these on rooflines and window outling and just want to see a little more so I can start measuring for what I will need.

Also do you foresee a wireless option somewhere in 2011?  We are doing a neighborhood display (Xmas 2010 is 4 houses) and I am not sure about running the CAT5 across the street for 2011 Pixelnet updates  ;D  I assuming the wireless would just be the pixelnet protocol as each house would need its own controller to inject the power.


Thanks in advance and keep up the awesome work.   <res.



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Re: What is a Lynx Smart String?
« Reply #88 on: November 07, 2010, »
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RJ - I know you are getting ready for your show and busy as can be (I assume there will be some video of your Smart String Mega tree to wet our appetite)

 >.d9

But any chance to get a chase / fading to colors demo video to wet our whistle before then?  IE Chasing like 2 or 3 pixals down and back the strand, fading from colors.  I have a vision of using these on rooflines and window outling and just want to see a little more so I can start measuring for what I will need.

Also do you foresee a wireless option somewhere in 2011?  We are doing a neighborhood display (Xmas 2010 is 4 houses) and I am not sure about running the CAT5 across the street for 2011 Pixelnet updates  ;D  I assuming the wireless would just be the pixelnet protocol as each house would need its own controller to inject the power.

Thanks in advance and keep up the awesome work.   <res.

There is no wireless option for the PixelNet. Since I can not say there will be I would not plan on it for 2011. 

There will be a much more in depth demo of the smart strings and what they can do and how you program them in the next video in a day or two.

Thats what I meant by "More information will be out in about a week" in my early post. I have been fininshing the software utility to program them and cleaning up some on the firmware so they would be 100% user ready.

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